patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR

[Taelas]

Based on what you're posting, no, no you haven't and you're certainly not reading my posts.

That's insulting.

Not entirely true. Restoration druids with proper gearing can tank. Maybe not at the raid level but they CAN do the job. How do I know this? I've seen it in action on Stormrage with some of our druids. They also put out decent enough dps in cat form. I've tanked and healed instances on my retn00b specc'd paladin. I hold aggro okay if folks aren't monkeys.

The ability to tank a 5-man instance is completely negligible, because with the proper care, you don't even need a tank in many of them (at least not a class brought along specifically for it). Yes, you can clear a 5-man instance with a warlock's Felguard or a hunter's pet.

Holding a mob's attention with no DPS on it isn't tanking; a Restoration druid cannot deal enough aggro to tank anything as soon as DPS opens up (and I strongly doubt they can hold aggro well enough to keep it away from healers). A Holy paladin cannot either. Retribution paladins are currently a joke for raid purposes, although they can do enough threat (just as Balance druids).

Small nit. It required six tanks who could TAUNT. I've heard of guilds using druids on the Horsemen.

Warriors were brought more regularly than druids.

No no no. Go back and re-read what I stated. If DPS warriors were not at least on par with druids and paladins why would any raid leader bring them to a raid? I specifically asked you what a DPS warrior would bring that was superior to a paladin or a druid or any other dps class. YOU are the one painting me in a world where a raid leader wouldn't want the flexibility that a druid/paladin brings to a raid. The only thing I'm saying is that we should be on equal footing with a feral and a protection specc'd paladin. Stop making assumptions and READ what I wrote.

You're the one assuming that Arms/Fury warriors wouldn't be brought along if Protection paladins and Feral druids are better tanks. Fair's fair.

Really stop looking at it one sidedly. A feral druid brings MORE to a raid than an dps warrior even on equal footing tanking wise. Why in the world would I want to strip them from a raid when they can tank/pinch heal/decurse/innervate/battlerez/ AND provide one of the best buffs in the game?

A Feral druid does not bring DPS equal to an Arms/Fury warrior. He brings healing, DPS and tanking, yes, but his DPS can be replaced favorably by any DPS class in the game (including the warrior), his tanking is apparently equal to the Arms/Fury warrior (who deals more DPS), and his healing would be better as a Restoration druid. Arms/Fury warriors bring consistant high DPS to a raid. They ALSO bring tanking when necessary.

Stop it with the joke-buff; Mark of the Wild is the least notable buff of the class-specific buffs, as it provides only a small bonus (though to almost everything). In other words, it's negligible. Disregarding that, you only need one druid to cast Gift of the Wild five times.

For that matter why would I bring a dps warrior to a raid if I have a paladin that can tank/pinch heal/cleanse/buff across the raid and provide auras/ and resurrect?

Reread my previous post--I updated it a few minutes after posting, and it seems you missed the update. It's right there.

All I've said thus far is that given the TWO roles a dps warrior can provide in a raid that they be on par with the two other tank classes that can buff/heal/dispell and cleanse/DPS/Tank. Stop jumping to conclusions and read what I've written.

Except as soon as they are "on par", it's more beneficial to bring a healer and a DPSer instead of the others.