Quote:To be perfectly honest, I think I have given this issue quite a bit more thought than you.
Based on what you're posting, no, no you haven't and you're certainly not reading my posts.
Quote: -Druids cannot tank unless specced Feral.
-Paladins cannot tank unless specced Protection.
-Warriors can tank regardless of spec, though they are superior to all other classes when specced Protection.
Not entirely true. Restoration druids with proper gearing can tank. Maybe not at the raid level but they CAN do the job. How do I know this? I've seen it in action on Stormrage with some of our druids. They also put out decent enough dps in cat form. I've tanked and healed instances on my retn00b specc'd paladin. I hold aggro okay if folks aren't monkeys.
Quote:As soon as you require more than 3 tanks, the Fury/Arms warriors are there to step in. Might I remind you that Naxxramas required no less than 8 warriors?
Small nit. It required six tanks who could TAUNT. I've heard of guilds using druids on the Horsemen.
Quote:The Fury/Arms warriors specced DPS, and they do it well. Feral druids specced melee, and they do it well, be it DPS or tanking. Let me reiterate: I specced to tank. Why should they bring me if I only do sporadious tanking and DPS and a bit of support healing? In your world, a Fury warrior can replace me in every aspect but healing, and so I'd be more useful as a Restoration druid.
No no no. Go back and re-read what I stated. If DPS warriors were not at least on par with druids and paladins why would any raid leader bring them to a raid? I specifically asked you what a DPS warrior would bring that was superior to a paladin or a druid or any other dps class. YOU are the one painting me in a world where a raid leader wouldn't want the flexibility that a druid/paladin brings to a raid. The only thing I'm saying is that we should be on equal footing with a feral and a protection specc'd paladin. Stop making assumptions and READ what I wrote.
Quote:Here's an example raid composition,
-3 Warriors. 1 is Protection, and is main tank. 2 are Arms/Fury. Depending on encounters, the Arms/Fury warriors does DPS or tanks.
-3 Paladins. 1 is Protection, and is main tank 2. 2 are Holy. Depending on encounters, the Protection paladin heals or tanks.
-2 Rogues. Does almost nothing but DPS.
-2 Mages. Does almost nothing but DPS.
-3 Druids. 1 is Feral, and is main tank 3. 1 is Restoration, 1 is Balance. Depending on encounters, the Feral druid does DPS, tanks or heals and the Balance druid does DPS or heals.
-3 Priests. 1 is Shadow, 2 are Holy. Depending on encounters, the Shadow priest does DPS or heals.
-3 Warlocks. Does almost nothing but DPS.
-3 Shamans. 1 is Restoration, 1 is Enhancement, 1 is Elemental. Depending on encounters, the Enhancement shaman does DPS or heals, and the Elemental shaman does DPS or heals.
So on encounters that require more than 3 tanks, the Arms/Fury warriors step in. On encounters that require only 1 tank, the druid does DPS and the paladin heals, unless more healing is required, in which case the druid also heals.
If Arms/Fury warriors are equal tanks to druids and paladins who specced to tank, you can scrap them entirely and respec them to healers--or maybe even remove one and replace it with a DPS class (as it can easily be argued that one of them specced healing would replace both of them).
Really stop looking at it one sidedly. A feral druid brings MORE to a raid than an dps warrior even on equal footing tanking wise. Why in the world would I want to strip them from a raid when they can tank/pinch heal/decurse/innervate/battlerez/ AND provide one of the best buffs in the game?
For that matter why would I bring a dps warrior to a raid if I have a paladin that can tank/pinch heal/cleanse/buff across the raid and provide auras/ and resurrect?
All I've said thus far is that given the TWO roles a dps warrior can provide in a raid that they be on par with the two other tank classes that can buff/heal/dispell and cleanse/DPS/Tank. Stop jumping to conclusions and read what I've written.