Game-Changing New Powers
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Quote:I haven't started on my warrior past 60, yet, but in theory Spell Reflect is better than Shield Bash because it returns the damage to the target, helping you kill faster. Given the rage cost, it's probably the case that it's better when one spell cast from the target would do more damage to the target than one shield bash plus one heroic strike. That's just theory, though.

Spell Reflect only reflects the base damage of the spell being cast at you. So while that Fireball would normally hit you for 1,000 or more (well, maybe 900 or 800ish now that they've made Improved Fireball lower the spellpower coefficient), reflecting it back would hit them for 500 or so (wowhead and thottbot are both lagged to hell and back right now, so I can't get an exact number for max rank Fireball.) Even worse, it can be burned on a very weak rank1 instant (Rank1 Fireblast comes to mind), which means you just wasted 25 Rage to do very little or no damage (if they've got Fire Ward up), when that same Rage could be used for a Shield Bash + Heroic Strike combo with Rage left over (remember, any Protection Warrior worth his salt will have Focused Rage, and Arms and Fury specs would much rather just burn down the mob or player than try to tank it.)

In PvE, I think it would only be useful in very specific situations, since you'd expect raid bosses would be either immune to their own spells or even benefit from having them reflected back at them.
ArrayPaladins were not meant to sit in the back of the raid staring at health bars all day, spamming heals and listening to eight different classes whine about buffs.[/quote]
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Game-Changing New Powers - by Bolty - 01-22-2007, 01:45 PM
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