The land of the flighty
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As to the prewar debate, we both had reasons for believeing as we did. I was very surprised that no further significant WMD programs were uncovered. My reasons for believing their existence was in the continued action of the UN, the re opening of the inspection process, what appeared to be a consensus among the Security Council that the issue wasn't resolved ( or the sanctions could be lifted, which they were not). Powell's brief, 12 years of Saddam's deliberate bluff (he sure fooled me, and apparently, he fooled his own generals. I recommend Cobra II if you have not read it. You will like it, I am sure, as it paints Pres Bush in a poor light, likewise Rummy and Cheney.) Absense of Saddam's compliance in full was a strong indicator of something still being about. The problem of uncertainty remains as yet another problem that decisions makers face that is all to conveniently ignored once the hindsight moment arrives.

You believed for reasons of your own, to include "I don't like Bush, therefore he (and the estimate) must be wrong."

This is absolutely wrong. You show here that you based your opinion on 'fuzzy media' and strange sources and probably a feeling of that the US had to be right. Something (the other way around) you started blaming me of. The UN said there was absolutely no proof of WMD etc in Iraq. The reason the kept looking is to buy time hoping that the US would not invade.

I don't mind too much, I mean I don't live in the US and know only a little about the media and other information sources, so normally I won't hold this against you, but please stop saying that I base my opinions on things like disliking Bush.


And Kandrathe: I don't defend norht korea, I just say I can imagine their leader of wanting a atom bomb. And Castro? Well yes, OK he is a dictator (for reason I also mentioned earlier) but next to comparable countries, he does not do a bad job. I talked to people who traveled there, I talk to Cubans (no not the right wing extremist drug dealer ones in Florida) and they are not so negative.

And again, just because in the US (or Holland) we can buy 10 different kinds of cola doesn't mean we do everything right. We also try to legalize torturing of people that might be terrorists...Castro put politically dangerous people behind bars. It is both wrong and more or less the same thing.

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The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-11-2006, 10:24 PM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-12-2006, 02:54 AM
The land of the flighty - by Doc - 10-12-2006, 03:10 AM
The land of the flighty - by Rhydderch Hael - 10-12-2006, 03:45 AM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-12-2006, 04:34 PM
The land of the flighty - by Delc - 10-12-2006, 04:39 PM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-12-2006, 11:09 PM
The land of the flighty - by Doc - 10-13-2006, 02:55 AM
The land of the flighty - by Alram - 10-13-2006, 05:45 AM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-13-2006, 01:35 PM
The land of the flighty - by Lissa - 10-13-2006, 09:53 PM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-13-2006, 11:00 PM
The land of the flighty - by Rhydderch Hael - 10-14-2006, 02:47 AM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-14-2006, 04:57 AM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-16-2006, 11:47 AM
The land of the flighty - by Doc - 10-16-2006, 02:23 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-16-2006, 06:43 PM
The land of the flighty - by Doc - 10-16-2006, 07:46 PM
The land of the flighty - by Lissa - 10-16-2006, 11:44 PM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-16-2006, 11:55 PM
The land of the flighty - by Doc - 10-17-2006, 02:02 AM
The land of the flighty - by LochnarITB - 10-17-2006, 04:55 AM
The land of the flighty - by Lissa - 10-17-2006, 05:36 AM
The land of the flighty - by --Pete - 10-17-2006, 06:05 AM
The land of the flighty - by Doc - 10-17-2006, 06:34 AM
The land of the flighty - by LochnarITB - 10-17-2006, 07:31 AM
The land of the flighty - by Lissa - 10-17-2006, 02:30 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-17-2006, 06:31 PM
The land of the flighty - by Doc - 10-17-2006, 09:24 PM
The land of the flighty - by Rhydderch Hael - 10-17-2006, 10:14 PM
The land of the flighty - by Doc - 10-17-2006, 10:53 PM
The land of the flighty - by --Pete - 10-18-2006, 03:52 AM
The land of the flighty - by Drasca - 10-18-2006, 07:04 AM
The land of the flighty - by Lissa - 10-18-2006, 04:23 PM
The land of the flighty - by Lissa - 10-18-2006, 04:29 PM
The land of the flighty - by Doc - 10-18-2006, 05:19 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-18-2006, 05:41 PM
The land of the flighty - by Ashock - 10-18-2006, 06:43 PM
The land of the flighty - by Lissa - 10-18-2006, 07:49 PM
The land of the flighty - by Lissa - 10-18-2006, 08:05 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-19-2006, 05:07 PM
The land of the flighty - by Lissa - 10-19-2006, 06:58 PM
The land of the flighty - by Assur - 10-19-2006, 09:29 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-19-2006, 10:19 PM
The land of the flighty - by eppie - 10-20-2006, 07:24 AM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-21-2006, 11:43 PM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-22-2006, 01:37 PM
The land of the flighty - by Assur - 10-22-2006, 06:46 PM
The land of the flighty - by Swiss Mercenary - 10-22-2006, 09:17 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-22-2006, 11:04 PM
The land of the flighty - by eppie - 10-23-2006, 11:23 AM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-23-2006, 12:28 PM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-23-2006, 01:47 PM
The land of the flighty - by Ashock - 10-23-2006, 02:21 PM
The land of the flighty - by eppie - 10-23-2006, 03:00 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-23-2006, 04:21 PM
The land of the flighty - by Tal - 10-23-2006, 04:52 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-23-2006, 04:59 PM
The land of the flighty - by eppie - 10-24-2006, 09:58 AM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-24-2006, 12:59 PM
The land of the flighty - by Griselda - 10-24-2006, 01:01 PM
The land of the flighty - by eppie - 10-24-2006, 01:09 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-24-2006, 01:31 PM
The land of the flighty - by eppie - 10-24-2006, 03:13 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-24-2006, 04:23 PM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-24-2006, 11:05 PM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-25-2006, 12:36 AM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-25-2006, 03:28 AM
The land of the flighty - by eppie - 10-25-2006, 06:56 AM
The land of the flighty - by Occhidiangela - 10-25-2006, 01:22 PM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-26-2006, 01:07 AM
The land of the flighty - by eppie - 10-26-2006, 06:41 AM
The land of the flighty - by kandrathe - 10-26-2006, 12:56 PM

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