I am out of here

[Zarathustra]

I'd be happy with a system that let a skilled casual player achieve raid level gear with approximately three to five times the time a skilled raider in a good guild would take to get similar equipment.

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No, you wouldn't.

Our first raid on the Molten Core was August 26th, 2005. Only two months ago I completed my Tier 2 set. We started in greens and blues in the Molten Core and learned our way through it, Blackwing Lair, AQ40, and are moving to Naxx once C'thun is dead. I just now have every item I want out of the second big raid instance. I'd call us a good guild. That's our progression, starting MC and now about to down C'thun.

It's taken a year for that.

You would not want to start with greens and blues and then take three to five years to get your Tier 2 set completed. This is, of course, assuming neither the raider nor nonraider are carried through their progression on someone else's back. There's a misconception that raiding = easy epics, or that there was no groundwork laid ahead of those who ARE getting easy gear. This is generally on the part of those who haven't seen Molten Giant wipes. "But we got him to 50%!"

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