Andrea Yates verdict - huh?

[Nicodemus Phaulkon]

Bull crap.

"Among the many misdeeds of the British Empire in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." Ghandi.

Even he understood that polite non violent protest and negotation could fail, and from there on, there was only revolution. Bloodshed. But only as a last resort. He understood the need for arms, guns, weaponry to empower the masses. He didn't like them, but he understood the need to have them, and if need be, use them. Is that a schism or reason? Ghandi was also a firm believer that an armed society is a polite society.

And reread your own quote about pacifism... That word, disarmer. To disarm. To disable. To put down and remove a threat.

That's completely out of context, and you know it. The disarming is the adjective to the noun, which would be yourself, not another.

As for your Ghandi quote, it is again out of context. Ghandi never advocated violence under ANY situation, even at the cost of one's own life:

I cannot teach you violence, as I do not myself believe in it. I can only teach you not to bow your heads before any one even at the cost of your life.
-Mahatma Gandhi

That speaks to retaining dignity; it does not speak to retaliation.

I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.
-Mahatma Gandhi

Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary.
-Mahatma Gandhi

As for the Dalai Lama, he did indeed speak thusly:

If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." -- The Dalai Lama

That's hardly a parallel to your own spoutings, Doc... which seem to change daily in their nature.