Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings

[Lissa]

Ok, so if they buffed Pallys so that even without BoL, they were still acceptable healers, they would be overpowered with it. Or remove BOL altogeather, and tell one more pally (all indications are that in general there is no shortage of them) to sit at home or reroll, because that is one less blessing that is needed.

Nice twisting of words there. The point is this, without BoL, a Shaman is more efficient than a Paladin at healing. If you give the two classes the same amount of mana, the Paladin will run out of mana first trying to heal as much as the Shaman without BoL.

Well 6 actually.

So I can't count... :P

Fact still remains, that doubling of debuff slots Blizzard gave us still isn't enough. Blizzard needs to seperate things out even further for debuff slots.

Rend? MF (are you saying mindflay here?)? JoW is from all accounts very powerful, certanly it was a part of the decision to give the horde pallys. Cut some of the crap and tell people to unequip procing weapons if you need to.

It's not just Procing weapons, it's secondary effects of most spells (the DoT component of Fireball, Deep Wounds, and various others). Name one spell a Mage has that is mana efficient that doesn't have a secondary effect? Get the problem now. It is very easy to knock off a debuff without even trying.

Or tell one of your pallys to whack away, it shouldn't be too hard to convince them to do it, especially if they are sucky for lack of BoL.

Guess you didn't read my comments closely enough. The issue isn't with the Paladin whacking away to maintain the JoW on the mob, it's the fact that it gets knocked off easily and quickly.

Maybe you missed my earlier comments about BoL. BoL is the fourth blessing that goes up out of six. You have to have four Paladins there to even have BoL really used. BoL is powerful, but it isn't worth going with over things like BoK, BoSalv, and BoW.