07-17-2006, 07:14 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-17-2006, 07:14 PM by MongoJerry.)
Quote:I'm not sure on what the proc rate of JoL is, I would believe 50% though. Rhok is 2.9 speed. 15% speed quiver is 2.5. So that makes it easy to figure out as 59 mana/5. Blessing of wisdom is 40 mana/5. That puts you at 99 mana/5.
I figure you stay at the fully buffed totems so I'm getting 88 agi from the totem. Current gear I would get 36 agi from kings + a slightly extended mana pool. So I'm up by 52 agi which is 104 AP and 1% crit. So 7 DPS from AP and in my gear that crit would be at least 1 more DPS more likely 2. I can go about 110 seconds till OOM (I do get some base regen in in the shot rotation). So in any fight that lasts 110 seconds or less. I win. Longer fights I will lose but by how much? MC, BWL time from start to end, yeah I'm covered for most of those. A demonic rune can extend that time to drink by at least 20 seconds more though I admit you can't always take the life hit for that even as a hunter.
You assume that the hunter is only auto-attacking rather than using an aimed-shot, multishot, auto-attack cycle, which ironically means that your hunter isn't using any mana at all. The benefit to an Alliance hunter is greater than your calculations indicate.
Second, comparing to MC, which you've clearly outgrown with your gear, and even BWL which it appears you're outgrowing isn't a good comparison. MC is designed to be difficult for a raid in a mix of blues and tier-1 or flarecore fire resist gear. It's not designed for people walking around in a significant number of tier 2 epics and BWL weapons. I mean, yeah, a person can argue that mages don't benefit from having a larger mana pool or mana regeneration, because we can kill Ragnaros now before the first Son's phase, but I think you would agree that that is a poor argument. The same is true for hunters.
Hunters don't have the burst dps of mages, rogues, or even warriors on short fights. And on long fights, like Twin Emps, C'Thun, or even Nefarian, where hunters ought to excel, Horde hunters have to spend a significant part of their fight drinking while Alliance hunters do not. This shows up in the damage meters on kill fight videos of new bosses. Alliance hunters tend to show up much higher on the damage meter rankings at the end of the same fights than Horde hunters do. People are starting to realize now that it's actually hunters who benefit more from mana regeneration than any other classes, which is why there's a significant push now to put shamans with mana spring in hunter groups rather than healer groups.
Skandranon Wrote:Not quite. Same totems don't stack, fine: the result is a baseline 25 mp5 from one mana spring. That doesn't mean that shaman can't drop Mana Tides end-to-end to get the most out of their cooldowns. Inside five minutes, five shaman dropping five mana tides chained end-to-end generate 5800 mana for the raid; losing 60 seconds of Spring (300 mana) to get it.
Again, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Mana Tide should be a raid-wide totem, because it's not really a buff totem per se anyway. However, if it were a raid-wide totem, I would guess more shaman would get it, because as it stands now, most shaman don't.