07-12-2006, 07:09 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-12-2006, 07:11 PM by oldmandennis.)
Yeah, I'm sorry if my first post was a bit harsh. I was going to come back to it this morning with a fuller explanation and more details. I was a little annoyed at the time, because I was alt-tabed at the time in the new stupid AV, earning boatloads of rep and more honor then I ever did aggressivly playing AB/WSG.
So there are 8 armor slots, 6 for back neck finger trinket. Two one hand weapons, one two hand, a shield and a ranged. Call it 20 items. In a perfect casual world, there would be 3 tiers to match the raiders three tiers. Thats 60 items. At 10 hr/item, 15 hr/week, its less then a years worth of content. And that's if you get all the items at all the tiers, and don't skip half of T2.
I agree strongly that nobody should have to do something they don't enjoy. But making fun, new, exciting content as fast as people can consume is impossible.
Something is off here. I don't know your situation, so I can't say what it is. If I had to guess, I would say you probably had a core of well geared knowledgeable people who were spearheading progress, and passing on alot of loot at the same time. But that is just a guess.
If you started at day one, and full cleared MC and Ony every week, thats probably about 30 epics per week. Five months make about 600 epics, over 60 toons is 10 epics per toon. But that progress is astoundingly unreasonable for people without epic or FR gear, and no experience raiding. I would call it impossible progress if you are only raiding two nights a week. And if they are raiding alot without you (assuming the rest of the guild are about as dedicated as you) then 60 toons are not enough. More toons equals less loot per toon, as well as harder progress because the average gear is lower. My guild, probably pretty average as far as progression is concerned, pulled in 400 epics during its first 5 months raiding.
At this point though, I don't think it breaks anything to pass out a few MC level epics for essentially free.
Don't forget you can get these new epics (and honor) just about as fast by fishing, chatting, or even cleaning the house and coming back to the keyboard every 5 min and hitting space bar. I've taken to queueing as I leave the house, usually they can zerg belinda in the 5 min before my toon /afks.
So there are 8 armor slots, 6 for back neck finger trinket. Two one hand weapons, one two hand, a shield and a ranged. Call it 20 items. In a perfect casual world, there would be 3 tiers to match the raiders three tiers. Thats 60 items. At 10 hr/item, 15 hr/week, its less then a years worth of content. And that's if you get all the items at all the tiers, and don't skip half of T2.
I agree strongly that nobody should have to do something they don't enjoy. But making fun, new, exciting content as fast as people can consume is impossible.
Quote:I equipped two characters with raid gear at about ten hours per item in a guild almost wholly new to raiding (I raided for around eight hours a week and gained thirteen epics in the four or five months that I put up with it).
Something is off here. I don't know your situation, so I can't say what it is. If I had to guess, I would say you probably had a core of well geared knowledgeable people who were spearheading progress, and passing on alot of loot at the same time. But that is just a guess.
If you started at day one, and full cleared MC and Ony every week, thats probably about 30 epics per week. Five months make about 600 epics, over 60 toons is 10 epics per toon. But that progress is astoundingly unreasonable for people without epic or FR gear, and no experience raiding. I would call it impossible progress if you are only raiding two nights a week. And if they are raiding alot without you (assuming the rest of the guild are about as dedicated as you) then 60 toons are not enough. More toons equals less loot per toon, as well as harder progress because the average gear is lower. My guild, probably pretty average as far as progression is concerned, pulled in 400 epics during its first 5 months raiding.
At this point though, I don't think it breaks anything to pass out a few MC level epics for essentially free.
Don't forget you can get these new epics (and honor) just about as fast by fishing, chatting, or even cleaning the house and coming back to the keyboard every 5 min and hitting space bar. I've taken to queueing as I leave the house, usually they can zerg belinda in the 5 min before my toon /afks.