Quote:First, don't patronize other people by repeatedly doubting their experience just because they criticize your build. I don't know about Doc, but I've played Necromancers to great variety from DiabloII release on. With and without CE focus, and with all the mistakes you can make with that char. Including going for Skeletons in 1.00 and going for IM/Thorns from D2C to LoD.
Patronize? I'll tell you sir, I'm terribly Patriotic :whistling:
No no, but seriously. I did not intend to patronize you in my posts. Please feel free to send me a PM with the specific quotes, I'll be sure to be more wary about it next time:).
I don't doubt you've played a lot of Necromancers and have experience. I too have a lot of experience in that department. From the way you posted, it seemed that you were dismissing the build as "unusable since 1.04" - a comment that typically indicates you haven't tried it in a long time. I had recent experience with it, and had great success so I defended it. And you defended your point. And the spirit of a true forum shown through, a nice debate happened and I thought it was fair and a bit of fun for both of us.
What I was advocating is actually trying out the specific build I was talking about before you called "Bunk!". A similar thing happened with a Charged Boltress back in the days of 1.08. Most people threw out the idea until they saw me playing it or checked it out themselves. I think the same will show through on this build, but it definitely involves getting your hands dirty and trying it out.
Which brings us to this,
Quote:Secondly I never ever needed a 3rd party modding tool, which is in the way you repeatedly suggest it in fact a cheating tool.
The usage of editing tools in Single Player has been discussed in a few threads on this lounge. The general consensus is if its for your own use in Single Player, it isn't really cheating. Since even if you do decide to give your character a billion HP and MP (which certainly is cheating), the only person you're cheating is yourself. But rather than this, as Hammerskjold was very keen to point out (thanks!) this is far from what I'm advocating.
What I am advocating is making a backup of your saved characters. Then with an editor trying out a new build by redistrobuting skill points. Like test driving a car before you invest your money in one. Once you figure things out, you can reload your old characters, and you are back to where you were - no "cheating" leg ahead - but with more experience and knowledge.
There's no reason everyone needs to try this method. But for Pakman I think its a worthy idea, seeing that he's been away for a rather long time, and is unfamiliar with what builds work now.
Quote:_My_ experience comes with playing my chars from the very first Quill Rat in Act1/Normal Blood Moor up to BigD/Hell, respectively Baal/Hell. Maybe this is the reason why my experience is worse than both of you, pakman and Munkay, and I didn't ever get it work to revive unrevivable monsters, as an example.
My experience comes from start to finish as well. The dominant amount of my Diablo years have been spent on Battle.net play. In single player I level characters from start to finish as well. See what I said above about how I use the editor.
Quote:And thirdly you, Munkay, especially talk rubbish when it comes to compare different builds even of one class...
I think I just heard the pot calling the kettle... ;)
Quote:And now, I promise, I'm really off this tavern thread. Feel free to visit the Armory if you want to seriously discuss build strategies, or the Workshop, if you want to learn something about skills and mechanisms.Note that I'll report any advertising on cheating there.
I thought we were having a serious discussion here! I do hope you always report any advertising of cheating, regardless of the forum. Though I still defend that everything I've said in this post is within the lines of not cheating. Of course, Mods please PM me if my understanding of single player character editors is way off base:)
Finally, as for the comments with Doc, I think he knows I respect him and his opinion on the lounge. But when he says something fishy, out of respect I call Bunk! I didn't make you teary eyed did I Doc?:)
Doc, as for the Teeth build, that sounds hilarious! I never thought to use teeth in a supporting role, it might be worth trying since if nothing more it'll give me some good laughs at baddies dieing to the overwhelming power of, TEETH!
Cheers,
Munk
Edit: I am in dire need of a cup of coffee this morning, I misspelled Doc :wacko: