Not now! The neighbors are watching!
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Ghostiger,May 15 2006, 09:13 AM Wrote:You contridict yourself(and misrepresent me.)
The misrepresentaion is you make it appear I championed Hammurabi's code - which is not the case.

Erm, I quoted MEAT and then responded to him Ghost... that part of my reply was not directed towards you at all.

Quote:You say-
"...then they need to be allowed to live as normal a life as possible once their debt to society has been paid."
and
"You serve your time, you are released, you are free... "

You just feel that by serving your sentence you are esential even again with socety and your past crimes dont matter. This dirctly implies the finallaty and aceptaance of the legal sentence by soociety.

But then you say-
"Either you are rehabilitated and ready to become a productive member of society or you aren't."
and
"If someone is still a danger to society, then they should not be allowed back into society and still be undergoing treatment."

Both of these statments contridict your first sentence because they mean ignoring the sentence and focusing on the condition of the idividual.

I fail to see how they contradict. You are removed society (i.e. imprisoned or placed in some type of mental health facility), undergo treatment, and then are released when you have completed said treatment and are adequately rehabilitated. Once you are released (i.e. paid your debt to society) you deserve to be left alone and be free. The whole point is that the "sentence" is a function of the individual's treatment.

Quote:The basis of your argument refuttes itself - that sounds STUPID to me.
And a word on the legal system. It can serve 4 possible purposes.
-revenge(a bad purpose IMO)
-deterant(a great purpose IMO, as long as people are not disenfranchised before they enter into crime)
-rehabilitaion(a nice idea but impossible to determine IMO)
-removal(effective but exspensive)

Rehabilitation is certainly difficult to determine, but not impossible... these medical health professionals are trained to figure such things out. Your assertion that rehabilitation is impossible to determine or absolutely ineffective seems to be not grounded in fact.

Quote:There are some compacts with society that if broken you you should accept dire marking because society cant aford to have you repeat.

The "dire marking" has little effect on the pedophile's ability to repeat his actions, though... the relapse rate for pedophiles is 20-25% untreated (depending upon which source you read) even with this "dire marking" penalty in place.

Even preliminary tests have shown that treatment regimens (whther chemical or psychological) have proven quite effective. We need to stop hoping that a couple years in prison and a list that damns both the rehabilitated and unrehabilitated is enough to magically fix this problem. Pedophiles need treatment.
--Mith

I would rather be ashes than dust! I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry rot. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time.
Jack London
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Not now! The neighbors are watching! - by Nystul - 05-13-2006, 10:40 AM
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