Naxxramas
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oldmandennis,Apr 20 2006, 11:52 AM Wrote:PHOTB/CC items, ZG crafted items like primal bat and tiger, BOE MC epics, DMF for your neck, AV for rings offhands and weapons, Field duty, Dungeon 2, Hide of the Wild, Devilsaur, DM trinkets/Quel, top end librams and enchants for all of this stuff.....
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TB, CC, and ZG crafted items require things from raid instances--Cores, Bloodvine, and Obsidian shards *only* drop in raids. Quel'Serrar requires a raid.

Even if we ignore that top-end materials only come from raids:

Highest ilevel BoE Main hand/One Hand sword is Blackguard
( http://thottbot.com/?i=40781 ). Compare it to a Brutality Blade ( http://thottbot.com/?i=37423 ) and to the highest ilevel BoP available to a raider, the Chromatically Tempered Sword ( http://thottbot.com/?i=44357 )

How about Cloth Hats?
Highest ilevel Cloth Hat is the Cap of the Scarlet Savant ( http://thottbot.com/?i=24269 ). Compare it to Prophecy ( http://thottbot.com/?i=37373 ), Felheart ( http://thottbot.com/?i=28095 ), or Arcanist ( http://thottbot.com/?i=37308 ). Also compare it to the best cloth hat available to a raider, Mish'undare, Circlet of the Mind Flayer ( http://thottbot.com/?i=51928 )

There's a real gap if you don't raid but maybe that's the point. As Ashock brings up--what do we deserve to receive for the amount we pay each month? Maybe WoW is ultimately a raiding game and folks who don't want to raid should just cancel.

Personally, I really enjoyed the game until it was time to 'Raid or die'. Raiding was even fun for a while and then it became a 2nd job instead of something to do to blow off steam after a long day. So I rerolled for the fourth (and probably the last) time.
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Naxxramas - by MongoJerry - 04-13-2006, 04:31 AM
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