05-14-2003, 04:35 AM
This thread is meant for speculations using information presented to us based on current working knowledge of the game. That is why I suggested Occhi make a thread about people volunteering to test when the patch comes out.
Think about it this way:
Analyzing a game is similar to analyzing a map (you use information provided by a key to let you get from point A to B)
Map makers follow similar methods of labeling the map from older to newer versions with some changes.
If you only have a portion of a newer map, you can to some extent assertain the possible uses of information in the new map, while you may not see the exact path to B, you will find the general direction to an extent.
By posting this, I provide an area for people to cross pollenate ideas around the boards, get them in as many eyes as possible, and lists of reasons why it may or may not be according to what we have seen in the past.
I never claim this to provide facts. THEORIES, yes, FACTS, no (not yelling, emphasizing). If you are getting so upset over someone wanting to allow the public analysis (instead of why X is a good or bad idea, you want to think about what are the goods and what are the bads that are possible by the current rules).
Another thing - the fact that it doesn't exist is not true, the actual fact is a partial existence.
Things that exist:
Core Framework (the fundamental rules of d2 that can never change without a complete overhaul of every single line of code in the entire game)
Pseudo-Fixed information: Information given to us declared as "fixed" on many occassions, while it may not be 100% accurate it will most likely remain in a similar form, and can thus be analyzed.
And no "wait for the goddamn patch" does not "relate to the issue" - it is a null point involving this issue, although it is an opinion, and you are free to express it as you will, I would appreciate either address this in another manner that does not attempt to undermine any other person's opinion of what may be a helpful idea. Do this, and I will treat you with the same respect. As I have said before - this thread is not flame bait, and if you wish to treat it as so I respectfully request that you simply ignore it, is that to much to ask? I wish to keep this civilized.
And constructive can effect things that don't exist yet, because we have a basic framework in front of us we can say that certain things could potentially be more effective than others in situations or result in x or y of a mathematical situation fitting into the core framework. - Artwork is an example, you can say "maybe it is better to approach it from this angle because it provides you with more contrast which is what fits more into the style of this set of your works."
Where the angle is views on the information provided, contrast is the effect these things could potentially have on the game, and the set of works is the core framework.
We are not second guessing, we are performing an analysis of what we are given.
If thought of things that "do not exist" or that we don't have complete information about is so worthless...then would you not also concur that the study of Religion or a God is pointless? I could thoroughly debate that you cannot prove that a God or entity exists, merely provide it as one of a series of possible answers to a question. Should you wish to debate that analysis of the partially known or the assumed existence is worthless, I welcome you to address all aspects of that, be it in relation to a mere game (which this is), or in relation to the core beliefs of any one person or persons. One of my hobbies is the analysis of that which I encounter, if I wish to waste my time with this, and happen to find others who share that hobby, it would be no more your place to protest this than it would be my place to protest your hobbies. Fin.
May the Analysis of information continue should people wish.
"Aggression is not the answer to ceasing the actions of those whom you do not agree with, for if they have enough support - you will never succeed to quell the progression of their thoughts. Pacifism may not be the way either letting the seeds of thoughts spread like wildflowers in the fields of life. Mere acceptance that thoughts and beliefs differ is all that is needed to truly reach a pinnacle of peace - not the ignoring, nor the destroying, of a belief other than yours. In balance all is perfect in its flaws, and all is sacred in the essence of the mundane. This balance can only be obtained with the collection of knowledge in it's purest forms. Too bad humanity is doomed never to see this, because its blind eyes and blunt fists."
- Unknown.
Think about it this way:
Analyzing a game is similar to analyzing a map (you use information provided by a key to let you get from point A to B)
Map makers follow similar methods of labeling the map from older to newer versions with some changes.
If you only have a portion of a newer map, you can to some extent assertain the possible uses of information in the new map, while you may not see the exact path to B, you will find the general direction to an extent.
By posting this, I provide an area for people to cross pollenate ideas around the boards, get them in as many eyes as possible, and lists of reasons why it may or may not be according to what we have seen in the past.
I never claim this to provide facts. THEORIES, yes, FACTS, no (not yelling, emphasizing). If you are getting so upset over someone wanting to allow the public analysis (instead of why X is a good or bad idea, you want to think about what are the goods and what are the bads that are possible by the current rules).
Another thing - the fact that it doesn't exist is not true, the actual fact is a partial existence.
Things that exist:
Core Framework (the fundamental rules of d2 that can never change without a complete overhaul of every single line of code in the entire game)
Pseudo-Fixed information: Information given to us declared as "fixed" on many occassions, while it may not be 100% accurate it will most likely remain in a similar form, and can thus be analyzed.
And no "wait for the goddamn patch" does not "relate to the issue" - it is a null point involving this issue, although it is an opinion, and you are free to express it as you will, I would appreciate either address this in another manner that does not attempt to undermine any other person's opinion of what may be a helpful idea. Do this, and I will treat you with the same respect. As I have said before - this thread is not flame bait, and if you wish to treat it as so I respectfully request that you simply ignore it, is that to much to ask? I wish to keep this civilized.
And constructive can effect things that don't exist yet, because we have a basic framework in front of us we can say that certain things could potentially be more effective than others in situations or result in x or y of a mathematical situation fitting into the core framework. - Artwork is an example, you can say "maybe it is better to approach it from this angle because it provides you with more contrast which is what fits more into the style of this set of your works."
Where the angle is views on the information provided, contrast is the effect these things could potentially have on the game, and the set of works is the core framework.
We are not second guessing, we are performing an analysis of what we are given.
If thought of things that "do not exist" or that we don't have complete information about is so worthless...then would you not also concur that the study of Religion or a God is pointless? I could thoroughly debate that you cannot prove that a God or entity exists, merely provide it as one of a series of possible answers to a question. Should you wish to debate that analysis of the partially known or the assumed existence is worthless, I welcome you to address all aspects of that, be it in relation to a mere game (which this is), or in relation to the core beliefs of any one person or persons. One of my hobbies is the analysis of that which I encounter, if I wish to waste my time with this, and happen to find others who share that hobby, it would be no more your place to protest this than it would be my place to protest your hobbies. Fin.
May the Analysis of information continue should people wish.
"Aggression is not the answer to ceasing the actions of those whom you do not agree with, for if they have enough support - you will never succeed to quell the progression of their thoughts. Pacifism may not be the way either letting the seeds of thoughts spread like wildflowers in the fields of life. Mere acceptance that thoughts and beliefs differ is all that is needed to truly reach a pinnacle of peace - not the ignoring, nor the destroying, of a belief other than yours. In balance all is perfect in its flaws, and all is sacred in the essence of the mundane. This balance can only be obtained with the collection of knowledge in it's purest forms. Too bad humanity is doomed never to see this, because its blind eyes and blunt fists."
- Unknown.
Chaos < Logic > Order
One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles.
One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose.
One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle.
- Sun Tzu "The Art of War"
One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles.
One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose.
One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle.
- Sun Tzu "The Art of War"