Weapon Skill Blue Post

[Frag]

This is for a couple of people on Terenas that asked for blue confirmation on the weapon skill benefits I was speaking about this past week.

Cheerio,
~Frag B)

[Quark]

This is for a couple of people on Terenas that asked for blue confirmation on the weapon skill benefits I was speaking about this past week.

Cheerio,
~Frag B)

Trying to put this as nice as I can, all observations I've seen have basically said Crezax is full of it.

For a equal level mob, nothing besides glancing blows has changed since 1.0. That is, for melee, 1 weapon skill = +0.04% Crit, -0.04% Miss/Dodge/Parry/Block. For specials, hit scales differently (because glancing blows don't exist for specials) so it's -0.24% miss per point. For a +3 mob, the best results I've seen so far are showing an additional +0.1% crit per weapon skill.

With +4 weapon skill, that would mean melee has a +0.88% increase (unless the mob blocks, and DPS lost to blocks is hard to measure) and specials have a +1.44% increase because you shouldn't be attacking from the front to begin with.

His parry numbers are off, his decimals are off, and people shouldn't be experiencing parry anyway. Barring some definitive data saying otherwise, his miss numbers are most likely off too.

[vor_lord]

Not unrelated (Tigole and Kalgan comment mainly on the melee DPS related changes):
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.h...=88680668&sid=1


There is a vague mention of glancing blow changes upcoming:

We’re also reducing the Glancing Blow damage penalty for creatures 1-3 levels higher than the player. This will have a significant effect on melee DPS as it relates to endgame melee dps. More details on this at a later time.

I suppose the 'more details' will be necessary to see how +weapon skill will be here.

There is lots of interesting but vague tidbits -- especially about consumables (particularly flasks and elixirs -- big changes coming).

[vor_lord]

Not unrelated (Tigole and Kalgan comment mainly on the melee DPS related changes):
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.h...=88680668&sid=1
There is a vague mention of glancing blow changes upcoming:
I suppose the 'more details' will be necessary to see how +weapon skill will be here.

Pasting in as apparently this topic has been deleted.

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Lately, I’ve been seeing a lot of posts about the same subjects – subjects that have been addressed in an upcoming patch – so I wanted to let you guys know where things stood.

The Rogue Situation

We’ve done a tuning pass of many of our dungeons/bosses/encounters to ensure that nothing overly punishing occurs to “melee DPS’ that would lead people to favor ranged DPS over Rogues/DPS Warriors etc.

Also, we’ve changed the NPC cleave mechanic so that it’s now a frontal cone ability rather than a 360 degree chain attack. Sweeping Strikes has been removed from all Burning Crusade NPC’s.
We’re also reducing the Glancing Blow damage penalty for creatures 1-3 levels higher than the player. This will have a significant effect on melee DPS as it relates to endgame melee dps. More details on this at a later time.

End Game Itemization

As we’ve stated before, we made a lot of improvements to endgame gear progression. To put it in perspective, take a look at this Warrior Tanking Breastplate from before and after.

Destroyer Chestguard – Currently
+24 Strength
+22 Agility
+39 Stamina
Blue Socket
Yellow Socket
Red Socket
Socket Bonus +6 Stamina
Equip: Increases Defense Rating by 23
Equip: Increases your dodge rating by 16
Equip: Improves hit rating by 18

Destroyer Chestguard – Patch 2.1.0
+21 Strength
+22 Agility
+51 Stamina
Blue Socket
Yellow Socket
Red Socket
Socket Bonus +6 Stamina
Equip: Increases Defense Rating by 23
Equip: Increases your dodge rating by 20
Equip: Improved hit rating by 20

”Trash” Concerns

Equally interesting yet non-epic-dropping non-bosses (or “Trash” as he community likes to call it) has been of concern lately on these forums. In all of our 25 person raid zones we’ve made a number of bug fixes and tuning adjustments. For example, the trash should be significantly easier to clear in most cases – and take less time. Also, we’ve lengthened the time between respawn on a lot of the trash. Yes, trash will respawn in some cases. It’s a pacing mechanic and one that works well when tuned correctly. For example, the trash before the Prophet Skeram or the trash before Attumen the Huntsmen or the Maiden of Virtue works well. You get a couple of tries on the boss, and if you fail, you spend a short time re-clearing. Yes, there are cases of the trash respawning too fast or the trash being too difficult or too lengthy. Those are the cases we hope to fix. We’ve also fixed some bugs that were allowing the trash to respawn after the boss for a certain area was dead.

Consumables

We’re making substantial changes to the way certain consumables work . In particular, Flasks and Elixirs are going to undergo major changes. More information will be available later on. We want Flasks and Elixirs to be a part of the game. We want alchemy to be a cool, needed profession. But we want to remove the tedium and cost from the massive consumable farming that’s going on for endgame raiding. We’ll provide more information soon – but for now, expect big changes to Flasks and Elixirs.

Boss Tuning

We’re looking at the boss tuning from dungeons to heroics to raids. Your feedback is being listened to.

To Summarize

We’re making big improvements to the game. Whenever possible, we hotfix changes to get them to you as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, there are many changes that require a patch and cannot be hotfixed. Many of these changes are coming in Patch 2.1.0. The patch will be on PTR’s in the upcoming weeks. You’ll be able to see them there and try them out for yourselves. You’ll also be able to test Black Temple. We’re also looking into ways of making Hyjal accessible on the PTR as well to get more testing on that zone.

I can assure you that we’re aware of the issues you guys are discussing on the boards and we’re listening closely. We’re also dedicated fans of the game ourselves. We play it every day =D We will affect change as quickly as we can. Patch 2.1.0 will be on the PTR soon enough and you’ll all have the opportunity to comment and make suggestions on the changes.

[Zarathustra]

I'm not a math scholar... but somehow his "net increase" doesn't make any sense to me.

[swirly]

Trying to put this as nice as I can, all observations I've seen have basically said Crezax is full of it.

For a equal level mob, nothing besides glancing blows has changed since 1.0. That is, for melee, 1 weapon skill = +0.04% Crit, -0.04% Miss/Dodge/Parry/Block. For specials, hit scales differently (because glancing blows don't exist for specials) so it's -0.24% miss per point. For a +3 mob, the best results I've seen so far are showing an additional +0.1% crit per weapon skill.

With +4 weapon skill, that would mean melee has a +0.88% increase (unless the mob blocks, and DPS lost to blocks is hard to measure) and specials have a +1.44% increase because you shouldn't be attacking from the front to begin with.

His parry numbers are off, his decimals are off, and people shouldn't be experiencing parry anyway. Barring some definitive data saying otherwise, his miss numbers are most likely off too.

I don't know how definitive the data is, but there are studies going on about the +hit gained from +weapon skill in the Elitist Jerks Rogue DPS Spreadsheet thread. The findings, as I understand them, seem to be that +1 weapon skill against a level 70 mob is giving 0.1% hit which goes against the 0.04% hit thinking. There still seems to be doubt that the blue post is accurate, but it seems the 0.04% thinking is also not accurate. Here is a link to the thread around where the discussions and data sets are. You may have to go forward or back a page or two. I didn't narrow it down to the exact start, but it gives a place to start looking. Anyway, I'm not entirely sure if any final conclusions have been made, but this seems to be where testing is going on about the matter.