Terenas: Guild Alliance?

[Xame]

Just an addition to the loot rules discussion. I've run raids with most of the major guilds on our server (NOS, Nightmare Syndicate, Theater of Pain, Warlords Reborn, and BoV. I have not yet run with Thrall's Champions :( ) and they have a set of standard PUG rules that appear to be common. I normally always ask the rules and the answer comes back,

"need one set, one blue/Bop blah, blah blah....". I'm not joking on the "blah blah blah" part.

During some down time I started the discussion a few times to find out what "blah blah blah" meant.

You get one Need for a set item that you will put on right now.
You get one Need for any other blue.
You get one Shard from a DE or non-needed blue (dust is free)
Greens are all greed except for BoP's (variation: sometimes BoP's are also just greed)
One Stitching/Orb/Stone/etc on greed roll, only if you have a need (no AH'ing them, this is a source of some fights since the rest are to be given to your guild for free)
Books/etc are guild rolled if they are valueable for the guild bank (see key pieces below) if the guild already has plenty of them, they are given to the non-guild members as payment for the run to be AH'ed (ie. NOS has copys of all books on file for new 60's as a presents, many people buy their's earlier)

All boss fights are Masterlooter (ALWAYS). Items like lbrs key pieces/strat key/skinning knife, are guild rolled (leaders of the majority guild leading the raid roll them off or they are assigned, non-guildies can use their "need" to get a roll against the guild rolls unless it is a skinning knife run at which point you will not get it).

Note that there is nothing in here about your build or their build. Stepping back from what is "best" for someone's build is very much in the eye of the person. Yes, in Lurkers we want to make the best guild possible so we worry about such things (eg. that sword in my hands will help the guild more then that sword in your hands.) I believe this is where the "trust" comes in. When two people say they need something and it is a tier 2 item for one of the people and they "pass" their roll (they are trusting the other person's judgement that they have a greater need then them). Note the standard rules are pure greed/fairness based, with only a few exceptions for building a better guild. It is in the "building a better guild" or "building a better alliance" that we get into the grey zone of trust/maturity. Thus NoS/NS on MC runs have said that all items will go to the NoS/NS guilds for best use (ie. Yuri cann't get his hands on core hides to give to lurkers since I'm not the assigned person and it would be unethical to even do so. The items have been assigned to people to make items for guild selected people....tanks then priests). Similarly Lurkers and LS will come to some agreement about what is for the guild/alliance and what is for the individual. I find generosity normally starts to break down the walls of distrust and reveals the ninjas.

BTW. I will be on early Friday (6:45) for MC but will be talking to my wife so I don't know how much I can help with the discussion (my wife likes to believe she has my attention when she is talking to me :whistling: ).