10-28-2005, 08:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2005, 08:26 PM by Concillian.)
I was thinking about how the vast majority of the encounters in ST are pretty much 2-3 elites + some non-elites, and how best to handle it with the group of Kosch, Mogo, Marn, Magead and Lianne.
My current thoughts were Kosch goes shield and 1H (if he has one, I usually see him 2H) and plays tank the whole instance and Mogo heals.
We go into a 3 elite pull with a poly, and Kosch and the cat each take an elite. Void rounds up the non-elites and gets a taunt on each one (this will hold aggro through 1 blizzard, based on experiements I did this morning, about 9xx damage), during which time the elites are pulled back away from the sheep. Kosch should position near the cat, then drop an earthbind to hold both the elites for when they will run (for the trolls). The void coming back from the sheep is the signal that I have a taunt on each one, and it may be good to re-sheep at this point to reduce chances of it breaking, then start AoE once everyone is positioned.
Rain of fire + Blizzard + volley + magmas while the void has aggro. They should break for Magead at the end of the Blizzard, and he can IAE, and I can hellfire to mop them up. Hellfire will catch up to Magead in damage, but assuming Magead doesn't have arcane subtlety, I shouldn't pull aggro until he has had 5 IAEs, which should be way more than enough to have downed the non-elites, even the elites will be low to dead by then. I'm assuming the elites can be held through the AoE, I'm sure Kosch and the cat can hold their single targets.
In doing this, the only heals should need to go out to Kosch and the cat, as the rest of us should be damaging fast enough to kill the non-elites before healing is necessary. With only one elite on each of the 'offtanks', the damage rate should be slow enough that healing shouldn't be a large issue.
The only potential issue I see is frogging, and I'm not sure there's anything we can do about that. I dont know if tremor totem or grounding totem works on frogging, but I don't think so. Tremor should work to ensure something like what I did to Durambar last time doesn't happen on the Prophet, so we need to remember to drop a tremor totem there. Most pulls we can sheep the frogger for last, but sometimes there are two, which may make things a bit more fun. A broken sheep that can frog would be a very bad thing, so I will Curse of Shadow any sheep (lowers arcane resists too) and we can re-sheep before AoE.
These ideas were just running through my head, as I was kinda wondering how we would play things out without a warrior. I thought it would be best to post the thoughts instead of proposing as we were standing in front of a pull.
I don't think Hakkar will be a problem, nor the bosses. Eranikus is the only one that scares me, because of the undispellable sleep that can really freak out the healers. But I'm sure Treesh is familiar with healing that event. First time I did that as priest our group wiped hardcore because I kept trying to heal slept party members (which fails)
Any other thoughts on how a 2 shaman, hunter, mage, warlock party might deal with ST effectively? Any glaring holes I missed? We should be able to burn things down nice and quick, but will probably have to drink after every pull.
My current thoughts were Kosch goes shield and 1H (if he has one, I usually see him 2H) and plays tank the whole instance and Mogo heals.
We go into a 3 elite pull with a poly, and Kosch and the cat each take an elite. Void rounds up the non-elites and gets a taunt on each one (this will hold aggro through 1 blizzard, based on experiements I did this morning, about 9xx damage), during which time the elites are pulled back away from the sheep. Kosch should position near the cat, then drop an earthbind to hold both the elites for when they will run (for the trolls). The void coming back from the sheep is the signal that I have a taunt on each one, and it may be good to re-sheep at this point to reduce chances of it breaking, then start AoE once everyone is positioned.
Rain of fire + Blizzard + volley + magmas while the void has aggro. They should break for Magead at the end of the Blizzard, and he can IAE, and I can hellfire to mop them up. Hellfire will catch up to Magead in damage, but assuming Magead doesn't have arcane subtlety, I shouldn't pull aggro until he has had 5 IAEs, which should be way more than enough to have downed the non-elites, even the elites will be low to dead by then. I'm assuming the elites can be held through the AoE, I'm sure Kosch and the cat can hold their single targets.
In doing this, the only heals should need to go out to Kosch and the cat, as the rest of us should be damaging fast enough to kill the non-elites before healing is necessary. With only one elite on each of the 'offtanks', the damage rate should be slow enough that healing shouldn't be a large issue.
The only potential issue I see is frogging, and I'm not sure there's anything we can do about that. I dont know if tremor totem or grounding totem works on frogging, but I don't think so. Tremor should work to ensure something like what I did to Durambar last time doesn't happen on the Prophet, so we need to remember to drop a tremor totem there. Most pulls we can sheep the frogger for last, but sometimes there are two, which may make things a bit more fun. A broken sheep that can frog would be a very bad thing, so I will Curse of Shadow any sheep (lowers arcane resists too) and we can re-sheep before AoE.
These ideas were just running through my head, as I was kinda wondering how we would play things out without a warrior. I thought it would be best to post the thoughts instead of proposing as we were standing in front of a pull.
I don't think Hakkar will be a problem, nor the bosses. Eranikus is the only one that scares me, because of the undispellable sleep that can really freak out the healers. But I'm sure Treesh is familiar with healing that event. First time I did that as priest our group wiped hardcore because I kept trying to heal slept party members (which fails)
Any other thoughts on how a 2 shaman, hunter, mage, warlock party might deal with ST effectively? Any glaring holes I missed? We should be able to burn things down nice and quick, but will probably have to drink after every pull.
Conc / Concillian -- Vintage player of many games. Deadly leader of the All Pally Team (or was it Death leader?)
Terenas WoW player... while we waited for Diablo III.
And it came... and it went... and I played Hearthstone longer than Diablo III.
Terenas WoW player... while we waited for Diablo III.
And it came... and it went... and I played Hearthstone longer than Diablo III.