Is this biased reporting?
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Occhidiangela,Oct 28 2005, 03:04 PM Wrote:You advocated Anarchy in your comment as a preferable system, and have now added clarity of your position.  Thanks.  :)  As I understand your position, you see as a preferable social system Anarchism as you describe it.  Problem is, the

Voluntary Social Relations

you appear to hold in such esteem (based on your stated preference by three orders of magnitude for Anarchy over the current societal hermaphrodite we operate under) most often turn IRL, via a positive feedback loop, into Anarchy such as the modest examples I offered to you.  I understand your interest in theoretically appealing Utopias, you are in good company with both Plato and Marx on that score.  Back in a world where breathing is required, Anarchy, as in a degree of chaos, is what happens when structure, social structure, dissolves.  That rarely induces Utopia, thanks to a remarkable absence of Voluntary Social Relations avbailable when the previous social contract is done away with.  Life does not allow cut and paste, it requires transition and transformation.  Why do you tnink Anarchy as you see it, as a Utopian dissolution of social strucures, is unachievable in both an industrial and post industrial society?  For starters, there is the matter of infrastructure. 

The evidence is all over the place for how rare such a desirable transformation into "Voluntary Social Relations" is, but feel free to sit in your Ivory Tower and wish it were otherwise.  I also wish it were otherwise, social strife is frequently destructive. 

I also wish that those who choose to blame an imperfect system could come up with a better, implementable system. 

If wishes came true, I'd be happy and you'd be shark bait.

Occhi
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There are fine examples of Anarchist movements that did succeed: post-revolution russia before the Bolsheviks stole power, socialist zionist settlements in the area of Palestine earlier this century before Britain screwed everything by selling out the indigenous Palestinians, or the East Wind community in Missouri, or the countless others around the world that we all but choose to ignore.

A better implementable system? That's ignorant. No system is ever perfect and it takes vigilant and constant retooling, but some are inherently better than others. I'd be surprised if our own system of government lasts another 30 years the way it's going.

Wishing I was shark bait just underlines what a hateful person you are. I may not care for you, but I do pity you.

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Is this biased reporting? - by Guest - 10-16-2005, 12:41 AM
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