Occhidiangela,Oct 27 2005, 09:23 PM Wrote:Nice try.
Since the system you refer to, the system as it exists, is not in fact Capitalist -- no matter how much the free market wonks drone on about how the joys of capitalism in some ideal form. The system is in reality a fusion of capitalist, socialist, humanist, secularist, realist, and for that matter theocrat, norms and principles. Your "capitalist causation" is dead on arrival, at present. If creeping Globalism is not countered effectively in the next generation, the "system" as you describe it may indeed come to pass as Capitalist, for a short period, before it devolves into either anarchy or feudalism. (Would that be neo feudalism, I wonder?)
Bogus "cause and effect" models such as what you are trying to pass off are excuse based rationalization. The use of a reductionist facet of the disembodied "system" as a cause for actions by humans who seek rationalization, excuse, to act out violently in a society that generally attempts to subscribe to the rule of law is a pathetic attempt to construct cause and effect.
Take your "causation" wheeze and go back to learning what words mean before you try again. Choice on how to act is still open to those not seeking an excuse to act out.
Not sure where you got your red herring in re race or color, but that his your invention in this conversation, not mine. Dont' try putting words in my mouth. I'll spit them at you.
Occhi
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This system is fundamentally Capitalist. I's not Socialist, it's not Humanist, and it's not Democratic. The freedoms and privileges we do have are a legacy earned through years of struggle by activists who were Humanist, Socialist, Communist, etc. They are not gifts from on high, and they are not part of the system of our government and society by fundamental design. The system was fought and forced to concede through fear of greater social upheaval.
You can ask; if the system is comprised of Humanistic qualities as a fundamental aspect then why do we allow children to starve, drop bombs on countries that are completely defenseless, allow the propagation of land mines, and any number of other attrocious obscenities? I'll take it you just don't understand the qualities of Humanism.
If the system is comprised of Socialistic qualities as a fundamental aspect then why are we the only industrialized nation that does not have universal health care, allow corporations all the rights and guarantees as an individual with none of the responsibility (you go bankrupt - you're on your own; a corporation faces any crisis and it gets subsidized with taxpayer money from the state and federal governments), allow companies to pay CEO's millions while they lay off thousands of workers, cut benefits, cut hours, and allow them to ship jobs overseas? That's the VERY antithesis of Socialism. Clearly, you have no idea what Socialism is.
We'd do a thousand times better under a system of Anarchism than we would under our present system of Capitalism, but again, it just goes to show how little you know about anything at all even despite your winded, pompous, insulting, and condescending manner.