Druid Changes - 1.8
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Skandranon,Sep 27 2005, 08:24 PM Wrote:I do.

1.7 Improved Starfire - 3% chance to stun for 3 seconds per point.
1.8 Improved Starfire - -0.1s casting time and 3% chance to stun for 3 seconds per point.  Maxed out, it reduces Starfire's cast from 3.5s to 3.0s.

Starfire just got a 14% boost in DPS.

Frostbolt: 429-463 damage, with talents, 2.5s cast time.  DPS = 178.4
Starfire: 445-525 damage, with talents, 3.0s cast time.  DPS = 161.6

Pure frostbolt is still stronger, except that druids have an instant-cast DoT and mages don't.

Moonfire: 205 dps for one second (at cast), 32 dps DoT for the next 12 seconds.

This is without factoring in the fact that frost spells only get up to +6% in damage from talents and starfire/moonfire get +10%, along with the fact that moonfire gets huge damage and crit chance increases from talents and frostbolt doesn't.  Nor does this count Nature's Grace and the fact that every critical results in a flurry-like effect of temporarily increased DPS. 

Even factoring all those out, druids sustain ~190 dps on targets burning from moonfire and getting starfired, and have short 200 dps bursts when they refresh their moonfire.  Mages hold a line at 178.4.  +damage gear, assuming equal amounts, tilts slightly in Starfire's favour as well - it gets 100% of the bonus and Frostbolt gets 81.4%. 

Mages are still more efficient.  But I'm not quite sure that as a DPS class, the mage should be  "fifth best and third most efficient single-target damage in the game".
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No increased crit for Frost? What about Shatter? Anyhow, you're tilting the scales here by comparing to Frostbolt, which is balanced for lower damage due to its slowing effect.

Arcane Missiles (rank 7) = 192 dps, can easily be made uninterruptible-by-damage, can benefit from Arcane Power (+35% damage = 259 dps). (Arcane Power lasts 15 seconds and has a 3-minute cooldown). Arcane Missiles isn't even the best single-target damage.

The real DPS mages are fire mages. What's the classic fire mage opener? Presence of Mind + (instant) Pyroblast ...? I've not done a fire mage but the numbers say, given +10% damage from talents, PoM/Pyroblast is an instant giving 880 damage right away (before crits) and another 275 over time. So after PoM/Pyro you could sit around casting 3-sec fireballs for 700 damage apiece = 230 dps, +10 dps from burning, = 240 dps. This is not counting crits, increased crit chance from talents, fire vulnerability from Scorch (or whatever combos fire mages do), etc. You can also make fire spells 75% interruption-resistant ... I don't see that talent for Starfire.

And then the mages have much better crowd control too, as well as superior AoE.

So the Balance druid in Moonkin form is something like 75%-80% of a mage. With good physical resistance. Which I think is interesting but not overwhelming.

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Druid Changes - 1.8 - by ima_nerd - 09-23-2005, 06:28 PM
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