Watch your language!
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wakim,Aug 20 2005, 07:49 PM Wrote:Thank you for explaining further. If I may continue to beg upon your indulgence then please allow me to ask a question that I hope will serve to clearly differentiate: It is my understanding that one of the principle tenets of Catholicism is the recognition of the legitimate power exercised by the papacy to act as the ultimate authority in matters of both faith and morals. If this is an inseparable element of Catholicism how does one differentiate between a "papist hacienda system," explicitly described in the quote above, and Catholicism? or is the devil in the detail of the "and more" that serves to distinguish the two?
Without further explanation or example can not this statement be taken to apply equally to about anything? For example: In 1776 our Founding Fathers established a broken fusion of autocratic and religious social models that impact modern day political and societal behaviors and norms - the autocratic element evinced by the establishment of an executive branch whose power resides in one man, and the religious social model in its first principle that governments exists solely to secure the unalienable rights of man that are endowed self-evidently by his Creator.

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Short answer:

1. You presume a legitimacy of political authority for the Pope that I do not, within the context of the American political model. THe strawman of a religious government under the Constitution dies a quick death.

The Papacy continues to pretend, even after Garibaldi, Cavour, et al, put paid to the Pope's secular power, an influence and authority over the world's Catholics and for that matter all people since a cathloic faith is supposed to eventually take all under its paternalistic care, that harkens back to the power exercised byt Mother Church under the ancien regime. That conceptual hold was never relinquished under the Spanophile world. (IS that even a word?)

2. The alleged religious model you attempt to reconstruct ignores the explicit theoretical background, the concept, derived from the Enlightenment, that secular authority can (and to some thinkers should) exist without interference from religious authorities. Not surprisingly, a Holy Roman Emperor or two had similar sentiments.

3. The South American, and specifically the Mexican, cultural model is feudal and broken . . . as compared to the American model.

Cultures are not all equal.

Occhi
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Watch your language! - by wakim - 08-11-2005, 05:22 PM
Watch your language! - by Zippyy - 08-15-2005, 03:18 PM
Watch your language! - by WarLocke - 08-15-2005, 07:55 PM
Watch your language! - by Guest - 08-15-2005, 09:50 PM
Watch your language! - by Archon_Wing - 08-15-2005, 11:30 PM
Watch your language! - by Doc - 08-15-2005, 11:57 PM
Watch your language! - by Rhydderch Hael - 08-16-2005, 01:34 AM
Watch your language! - by Archon_Wing - 08-16-2005, 01:44 AM
Watch your language! - by Doc - 08-16-2005, 02:17 AM
Watch your language! - by wakim - 08-16-2005, 02:38 AM
Watch your language! - by Archon_Wing - 08-16-2005, 03:19 AM
Watch your language! - by Occhidiangela - 08-20-2005, 04:34 AM
Watch your language! - by Guest - 08-20-2005, 12:30 PM
Watch your language! - by wakim - 08-20-2005, 05:56 PM
Watch your language! - by WarLocke - 08-20-2005, 07:01 PM
Watch your language! - by Occhidiangela - 08-20-2005, 07:12 PM
Watch your language! - by Guest - 08-20-2005, 07:38 PM
Watch your language! - by wakim - 08-20-2005, 07:52 PM
Watch your language! - by wakim - 08-20-2005, 08:11 PM
Watch your language! - by Guest - 08-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Watch your language! - by Occhidiangela - 08-20-2005, 08:58 PM
Watch your language! - by Guest - 08-20-2005, 10:05 PM
Watch your language! - by Occhidiangela - 08-21-2005, 12:17 AM
Watch your language! - by wakim - 08-21-2005, 12:47 AM
Watch your language! - by Occhidiangela - 08-21-2005, 01:13 AM
Watch your language! - by wakim - 08-21-2005, 01:49 AM
Watch your language! - by Guest - 08-21-2005, 03:48 AM
Watch your language! - by wakim - 08-21-2005, 10:49 AM
Watch your language! - by Occhidiangela - 08-21-2005, 11:34 AM
Watch your language! - by Guest - 08-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Watch your language! - by wakim - 08-21-2005, 03:43 PM
Watch your language! - by Occhidiangela - 08-21-2005, 07:19 PM

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