08-16-2005, 06:06 PM
Placing replies to the posts in the other thread here.
I used to believe this, if you can recall conversations I had in guild chat a couple times. Actually, I still believe this. If you want fair, everyone who wants it gets to /random 1000 on it; that's as fair as it gets.
The only problem with this is that being fair may not be the highest priority. It never occurred to me, when I spoke of supporting a roll system, that being fair might actually be antithetical to the smooth progress of a guild (or alliance of guilds) through raid instances. Point systems are not fair; they're a compromise between fairness and guild progression.
What you, and everyone else in the Avarice guild alliance needs to decide, is how much of a priority you place on fairness. If you want to be fair above all else, then continue to let everyone /random 1000. If being fair is not your highest priority, or if there are priorities that are close to it in significance, you will have to consider some degree of unfairness.
One example: you currently random all core leathers, fiery and lava cores. I applaud the even-handedness and fairness of the system. I also point out that those components are doing absolutely nothing sitting in banks. A random system will result in fiery and lava cores spread out over all the members, resulting in a case where your guilds might have 40+ cores and yet not one single piece of fire resist gear.
If Anadrol's your MT, an armorsmith high in TB rep should be making fire resist plate for him; all dark iron should be given to that armorsmith in order to either get revered with TB or make dark iron items, preferably both. For some of the future fights, having just two tanks high in FR is very, very handy. Do you wish to wait until the random hand of fate (averaged out, even) gets everyone up to that level of FR (which is likely to take months if not a year)? Or do you introduce an element of unfairness and hand all the cores to two warriors who bulk up on FR in order to not hit a wall on some bosses and trash mobs?
It's the same for me. But not for everyone, and you need 35+ to raid.
The point you're overlooking is that MC locks for a week. Over time, yes, loot will even out, but "over time" for MC is much longer than for the "blue" instances. And loot only evened out for Strat/Scholo/BRS after four or so months of raiding them, which you could do multiple times a week. Are you willing to wait a year for things to even out in MC?
Pesmerga,Aug 16 2005, 08:36 AM Wrote:The way I see it, if you were on the run that dropped the loot, you should have a chance at it. I only find that to be the fairest way.
I used to believe this, if you can recall conversations I had in guild chat a couple times. Actually, I still believe this. If you want fair, everyone who wants it gets to /random 1000 on it; that's as fair as it gets.
The only problem with this is that being fair may not be the highest priority. It never occurred to me, when I spoke of supporting a roll system, that being fair might actually be antithetical to the smooth progress of a guild (or alliance of guilds) through raid instances. Point systems are not fair; they're a compromise between fairness and guild progression.
What you, and everyone else in the Avarice guild alliance needs to decide, is how much of a priority you place on fairness. If you want to be fair above all else, then continue to let everyone /random 1000. If being fair is not your highest priority, or if there are priorities that are close to it in significance, you will have to consider some degree of unfairness.
One example: you currently random all core leathers, fiery and lava cores. I applaud the even-handedness and fairness of the system. I also point out that those components are doing absolutely nothing sitting in banks. A random system will result in fiery and lava cores spread out over all the members, resulting in a case where your guilds might have 40+ cores and yet not one single piece of fire resist gear.
If Anadrol's your MT, an armorsmith high in TB rep should be making fire resist plate for him; all dark iron should be given to that armorsmith in order to either get revered with TB or make dark iron items, preferably both. For some of the future fights, having just two tanks high in FR is very, very handy. Do you wish to wait until the random hand of fate (averaged out, even) gets everyone up to that level of FR (which is likely to take months if not a year)? Or do you introduce an element of unfairness and hand all the cores to two warriors who bulk up on FR in order to not hit a wall on some bosses and trash mobs?
Quote:I understand why some people complain about being on all the raids and not getting a single drop, but that's not why I'm in to play the game. I like the challenge of the big fight, and being around friends. Loot is just an added bonus.
It's the same for me. But not for everyone, and you need 35+ to raid.
Quote:We're using essentially the same system that we used for the lower level, 10-15 man raids. And after so many raids, loot more or less evened out (cept for Quark, kid has bad luck)
The point you're overlooking is that MC locks for a week. Over time, yes, loot will even out, but "over time" for MC is much longer than for the "blue" instances. And loot only evened out for Strat/Scholo/BRS after four or so months of raiding them, which you could do multiple times a week. Are you willing to wait a year for things to even out in MC?