08-05-2005, 03:47 PM
I think people were pretty worked up well before the Lucifron (attempt 1), and that fight is intense. Most of us are still not comfortable with MC at all. The path to Lucifron will become more routine. At this point in our newness to MC, we need to set our ego's aside and be open and critical of what we are doing that works and what does not work. This is not a blame game, this is a learning curve and we will make mistakes.
Some (positive) suggestions, and my two cents for what it's worth;
We (as a team) would do much better with more with, Mana, Health, Fire Resist, or Restorative Potions, but one person is not capable of spending all their non-raid time farming for Elemental Earth or Elemental Fire. We have alot of alchemy power that we are not using. My offer to anyone is; that I will supply the herbs, vials and skills if you can get me the elemental parts.
I think we need to start helping each other out more, by sending junk lvl 50+ items to our enchanters to build up their supplys, so that its not a big deal if someone wants to get some stamina on their boots. I would love to hear our enchanters complaining that they have too many mats.
We should start on time, and try to move a little faster if possible.
We should try to get 40 committed people before the raid begins.
The raid leaders get to call the shots and set the strategy. Period. No arguments.
When we have a wipe or partial wipe we should openly discuss why without blaming anyone so we can all learn. I pity the tanks and healers on this because so much of our success or failure rests with them. The DPS classes mostly get to stay out of the way and watch that life bar slowly descend, until the call comes out to kill.
Would it be possible for Hunters and Rogues to start DPS earlier on Mobs by having them Feign Death, and Feint? Just a gut feeling that if those classes that can zero their threat started at say 95%, and the others then started at 85% we would drop those early pulls much faster. The Lava surger respawn timer is 28 minutes, so it would be nice to get to Luci before the respawn, or at least before the 2nd respawn.
We need to remember this is recreation, and should be fun. We don't need to be cavalier and reckless, but we don't need to be so intense as we were. I chalk up alot of last nights frustrations as growing pains and learning curve. We are a collection of perfectionists; that is a strength and can be weakness if we allow it to be.
I think it was a good idea when one of warlocks suggested using the Felhunter to try to consume debuffs, like MC. Did that work? What other things are in our collective bags of tricks that we are not utilizing?
We should all train and equip our own Heavy Rune Cloth bandages. In the Lucifrom fight it saved me 2-3 times by keeping my own life always above 2000. For 3-4 seconds of channeling bandage, it kept me in the fight longer until I got caught eventually waiting for my bandage timer, and got hit by the curse at a bad time. I realize that many people (tanks, healers, decursers) are too busy to spend their own time.
Many people have been on these encounters before, so we can learn from their experience. I think there is a happy middle ground between going in blind, and going in with the IA playbook. I did some more reading about MC, after last night encounter and I learned many new things I did not know. I think we could do a little more work in scouting our enemy.
Against some critters, it helps to be more mobile and for those that can, to stay out of range until it is time to run in and apply your gift. Against, Magmadar, I only ever got feared when it was wipe time, after MT was down and the dog got loose. When I saw the AE fear warning I took that opportunity to back up out of range, then run back in and continue hitting.
Having multiple priests who can apply fear ward is nice. If we can do this, for that battle, I would suggest one stays back and applys the ward and heals those who are healing the MT, while the other focuses on the MT.
Two Tranquilizing Shot hunters is not quite enough, although I was pleased that our 3rd and final attempt on Magmadar we dropped him to 85%. With more experience and people we will do this without a hitch.
Anyway, food for thought. I hope this serves as a catalyst for some positive discussion.
Some (positive) suggestions, and my two cents for what it's worth;
We (as a team) would do much better with more with, Mana, Health, Fire Resist, or Restorative Potions, but one person is not capable of spending all their non-raid time farming for Elemental Earth or Elemental Fire. We have alot of alchemy power that we are not using. My offer to anyone is; that I will supply the herbs, vials and skills if you can get me the elemental parts.
I think we need to start helping each other out more, by sending junk lvl 50+ items to our enchanters to build up their supplys, so that its not a big deal if someone wants to get some stamina on their boots. I would love to hear our enchanters complaining that they have too many mats.
We should start on time, and try to move a little faster if possible.
We should try to get 40 committed people before the raid begins.
The raid leaders get to call the shots and set the strategy. Period. No arguments.
When we have a wipe or partial wipe we should openly discuss why without blaming anyone so we can all learn. I pity the tanks and healers on this because so much of our success or failure rests with them. The DPS classes mostly get to stay out of the way and watch that life bar slowly descend, until the call comes out to kill.
Would it be possible for Hunters and Rogues to start DPS earlier on Mobs by having them Feign Death, and Feint? Just a gut feeling that if those classes that can zero their threat started at say 95%, and the others then started at 85% we would drop those early pulls much faster. The Lava surger respawn timer is 28 minutes, so it would be nice to get to Luci before the respawn, or at least before the 2nd respawn.
We need to remember this is recreation, and should be fun. We don't need to be cavalier and reckless, but we don't need to be so intense as we were. I chalk up alot of last nights frustrations as growing pains and learning curve. We are a collection of perfectionists; that is a strength and can be weakness if we allow it to be.
I think it was a good idea when one of warlocks suggested using the Felhunter to try to consume debuffs, like MC. Did that work? What other things are in our collective bags of tricks that we are not utilizing?
We should all train and equip our own Heavy Rune Cloth bandages. In the Lucifrom fight it saved me 2-3 times by keeping my own life always above 2000. For 3-4 seconds of channeling bandage, it kept me in the fight longer until I got caught eventually waiting for my bandage timer, and got hit by the curse at a bad time. I realize that many people (tanks, healers, decursers) are too busy to spend their own time.
Many people have been on these encounters before, so we can learn from their experience. I think there is a happy middle ground between going in blind, and going in with the IA playbook. I did some more reading about MC, after last night encounter and I learned many new things I did not know. I think we could do a little more work in scouting our enemy.
Against some critters, it helps to be more mobile and for those that can, to stay out of range until it is time to run in and apply your gift. Against, Magmadar, I only ever got feared when it was wipe time, after MT was down and the dog got loose. When I saw the AE fear warning I took that opportunity to back up out of range, then run back in and continue hitting.
Having multiple priests who can apply fear ward is nice. If we can do this, for that battle, I would suggest one stays back and applys the ward and heals those who are healing the MT, while the other focuses on the MT.
Two Tranquilizing Shot hunters is not quite enough, although I was pleased that our 3rd and final attempt on Magmadar we dropped him to 85%. With more experience and people we will do this without a hitch.
Anyway, food for thought. I hope this serves as a catalyst for some positive discussion.
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