I've been thinking about this ALL day - even though I'm not in the guild anymore - and I wanted to add in 2 cents. Flame me if you'd like, but I think I have a decent point to make.
I got burnt out on Grizelle. The main reason she was retired? I got absolutely TOASTY healing UBRS. I understood that it was an ends to a means, that we needed blood. But I also knew that some weeks, if I didn't go - or Darian didn't go - it would be X number of weeks MORE until we saw Onyxia. That there were X number of people who would lack blood until our next attempt.
So I tried to convince myself that it was worth it. That every week, doing the same f'ing thing 4 times in a row would pay off.
Then, after MONTHS of this, we get to Onyxia. Yay, right? No. Actually, no. I didn't care anymore. I was so burnt on the grind of it that it wasn't as exciting as it should have been. Did I expect to drop the dragon? No. But I expected to feel some semblence of satisfaction for my time and effort, and it wasn't there. It was an absolutely empty experience. That was when I knew something was wrong.
Thus, the character was retired less than a week later.
So what does this have to do with the price of beans . . .
Let's look at the three characters you are losing. Arethor, who was THE token warlock for these UBRS runs more times than I care to admit. Flyndar, who was capped before I even started playing - AND who spent so much down time that he managed to cap a warrior. Skan, who was around from the beginning, capped a Paladin, AND taught me almost every farking thing I know about instances (and for that, Skan, I thank you. I'm now doing your role over on Feathermoon for a lot of folks and it feels good). People who've been there, done that, and continued to PAY to be bored. All out of loyalty. You can say they stayed for other reasons, but you're wrong - (as a side note, anyone who says these three used the Lurkers can bite me. I will defend any one of them to a name. They're some of the most giving people I know. Times, resources, YOU NAME IT).
At any rate, back to my point.
Think about how LONG it took them to get to that dragon with Lurkers. Think about the amount of times - exponentially - they went and killed the General. Put it in perspective. You asked them to wait for the guild. You asked them FOUR MONTHS AGO to wait for the guild. And they did. Now that you've got the bone structure of a raiding group, you're asking them to wait . . . again. Because you don't have attendance, you're still ten short, etc.
Ya know? The more I think about this? I'd stop waiting too. In fact, I did stop waiting, but I was so crispy that I couldn't even gather the energy to seek out an IA and try to rediscover the joy I used to feel as Grizelle.
My guess is that these three got to Onyxia, and they felt the same way I did. Hollow victory. So much work and time invested over so little giddiness. Frustrations, set backs, the inability to man the raids, even if - hypothetically - you have the numbers.
Consider, too, kids - and I hate to sound like a witch - Onyxia is CHEESE. She's the easy one, yet there are still migraines over trying to drop her. Imagine a Domo. Or worse.
So before you all get your hate on, put yourselves in their shoes. I know Darian or Tal or Vilatra or any of the rest of your 60's would like to say 'Hey, I spent a lot of time too' - and you know? You did. But I don't think it's fair for any one person to stand up and ask them to wait any longer. It's putting YOUR gaming principles and ethics on other people. I remember once that Treesh said she didn't like people telling her how to play her game. The more I think about it? I think it relates here, too. Yes, the loss of three key figures hurts you. Yes it sets you back, but if you're that keen on going still? Go. Recruit. Get active. Merge guilds, do something. They're three, not 33. Perspective.
Sigh.
To make a very long post very very short: You play your game your way, and give others the same freedom. Get angry, you're entitled, but don't wave an indignant flag in their faces.
They waited a long time for this.
So to the three of you, I hope you find your bliss. Find what it's like to enjoy that 60 again. I lost that magic with Grizelle, though I've found it with Yva and it's a nice feeling. I hope to hell you end up happy, even through these frustrations. I hope everyone finds what they're looking for in the end.
H
I got burnt out on Grizelle. The main reason she was retired? I got absolutely TOASTY healing UBRS. I understood that it was an ends to a means, that we needed blood. But I also knew that some weeks, if I didn't go - or Darian didn't go - it would be X number of weeks MORE until we saw Onyxia. That there were X number of people who would lack blood until our next attempt.
So I tried to convince myself that it was worth it. That every week, doing the same f'ing thing 4 times in a row would pay off.
Then, after MONTHS of this, we get to Onyxia. Yay, right? No. Actually, no. I didn't care anymore. I was so burnt on the grind of it that it wasn't as exciting as it should have been. Did I expect to drop the dragon? No. But I expected to feel some semblence of satisfaction for my time and effort, and it wasn't there. It was an absolutely empty experience. That was when I knew something was wrong.
Thus, the character was retired less than a week later.
So what does this have to do with the price of beans . . .
Let's look at the three characters you are losing. Arethor, who was THE token warlock for these UBRS runs more times than I care to admit. Flyndar, who was capped before I even started playing - AND who spent so much down time that he managed to cap a warrior. Skan, who was around from the beginning, capped a Paladin, AND taught me almost every farking thing I know about instances (and for that, Skan, I thank you. I'm now doing your role over on Feathermoon for a lot of folks and it feels good). People who've been there, done that, and continued to PAY to be bored. All out of loyalty. You can say they stayed for other reasons, but you're wrong - (as a side note, anyone who says these three used the Lurkers can bite me. I will defend any one of them to a name. They're some of the most giving people I know. Times, resources, YOU NAME IT).
At any rate, back to my point.
Think about how LONG it took them to get to that dragon with Lurkers. Think about the amount of times - exponentially - they went and killed the General. Put it in perspective. You asked them to wait for the guild. You asked them FOUR MONTHS AGO to wait for the guild. And they did. Now that you've got the bone structure of a raiding group, you're asking them to wait . . . again. Because you don't have attendance, you're still ten short, etc.
Ya know? The more I think about this? I'd stop waiting too. In fact, I did stop waiting, but I was so crispy that I couldn't even gather the energy to seek out an IA and try to rediscover the joy I used to feel as Grizelle.
My guess is that these three got to Onyxia, and they felt the same way I did. Hollow victory. So much work and time invested over so little giddiness. Frustrations, set backs, the inability to man the raids, even if - hypothetically - you have the numbers.
Consider, too, kids - and I hate to sound like a witch - Onyxia is CHEESE. She's the easy one, yet there are still migraines over trying to drop her. Imagine a Domo. Or worse.
So before you all get your hate on, put yourselves in their shoes. I know Darian or Tal or Vilatra or any of the rest of your 60's would like to say 'Hey, I spent a lot of time too' - and you know? You did. But I don't think it's fair for any one person to stand up and ask them to wait any longer. It's putting YOUR gaming principles and ethics on other people. I remember once that Treesh said she didn't like people telling her how to play her game. The more I think about it? I think it relates here, too. Yes, the loss of three key figures hurts you. Yes it sets you back, but if you're that keen on going still? Go. Recruit. Get active. Merge guilds, do something. They're three, not 33. Perspective.
Sigh.
To make a very long post very very short: You play your game your way, and give others the same freedom. Get angry, you're entitled, but don't wave an indignant flag in their faces.
They waited a long time for this.
So to the three of you, I hope you find your bliss. Find what it's like to enjoy that 60 again. I lost that magic with Grizelle, though I've found it with Yva and it's a nice feeling. I hope to hell you end up happy, even through these frustrations. I hope everyone finds what they're looking for in the end.
H