How to win in CTF
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lemekim,Jun 28 2005, 02:11 PM Wrote:Do not underestimate cleanse. Every shaman I know would trade their purge for cleanse in a heartbeat, simply because it's so much better in groups. [right][snapback]81896[/snapback][/right]

I think I inadvertently implied that I didn't value cleanse. This isn't the case. I think a lot of my frustration about the paladin's role in group PvP stems from fighting well organized horde groups. The kind that sheep you when you unsheep a party member. Or re-sheep the person you just unsheeped. ;) I had hoped for more of a role in the battle than buff/cleanse and the occassional heal. This is most certainly a hold over from my PvP experience in beta when paladins were the bane of undead pcs. :)

lemekim,Jun 28 2005, 02:11 PM Wrote:Eh and what a druid can do? Unless they are a flag carrier, there are few options for them. Ok, they can heal (albeit either slower or less efficient then even paladins), and... Maybe decurse once in a while. They can root, but that usually gets dispelled fast, and the target goes immune fast anyway.[right][snapback]81896[/snapback][/right]

There you are wrong or overestimating the healing power of paladins lemekim. I simply cannot heal (even if I were specc'd and equipped for it) as well as even a feral specc'd druid. Their heals are shorter overall than a paladins and make less of a dent in their mana pool than a paladin's heals. Granted this is offset by a paladin's ability to resurrect players but the title of healing prowess amongst hybrids has to go the druid followed closely by the Shaman.

lemekim,Jun 28 2005, 02:11 PM Wrote:On priests, fear can be quite useful as both defensive and offensive tool. Silence is useful, but most priests do not go that far down into Shadow tree. Most everything else takes too long or uses too much mana.[right][snapback]81896[/snapback][/right]

Fear by itself makes a priest seem more valuable in PvP than a paladin. Though if the horde group is any good they'll have mobile killing squads searching out the healers in a opposing group. It is usually because the priest has been dropped that paladins step up to the plate and begin healing the flag bearer. This role also I don't have a problem with.

lemekim,Jun 28 2005, 02:11 PM Wrote:A paladin is an extremely good addition to any group - a plated healer/dispeler that cannot be Crowd-Controled reliably and can at the same time prevent any of his teammates from being Crowd-Controlled?[right][snapback]81896[/snapback][/right]

How can a paladin not be reliably CC'd? I've had battles where I watched from a sheep level because I popped my invulnerability shield only to be resheeped as soon as my bubble ran out. I finally became immune only to be sapped upon unsheeping. :/

lemekim,Jun 28 2005, 02:11 PM Wrote:Yea, I understand that's not what you want to be, but it's their best role. Perhaps if you reroll a Shaman you will find what you like.
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If its all the same I would appreciate it if you would stop advising me to re-roll. I'm unhappy with the paladin's role in pvp, this is true but the answer to Blizzard's failure to fufill their own description of the class. I will continue to muddle along being a buff/cleanse/healbot that no one fears when I do pvp with Sharanna. In the meantime I've been building my arms/fury warrior to do the scaring. :)
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