06-27-2005, 03:38 PM
In a futile attempt to get thread back anywhere near the subject, I would like to provide some info get some input of how people deal with paladins (including what paladins themselves fear most). We can do same thing for shamans as well =)
First of all, while most people know that you can "bubble" out of silence (or almost anything), but not many know that you can't "bubble" out of school-silencing type of effect. So if you counterspell a paladin while they are doing nothing, it will not prevent them from using divinse shield. But if you counterspell them midheal, you get 10 seconds in which you can try to kill them, while all holy spells (including divine shield) go through 10 second cooldown.
Second, and this is of course more common knowledge, since divine shield costs mana, you can mana burn/drain paladins so that they cannot use it at all.
Of course neither method is too viable, but it's nice to know. A quick silence on an escorting paladin combined with a quick tagret switch can finish them off before most other healers can react.
Paladins do have one weakness, and it's their inability to cure curses (neither can shamans, but thats a different subject!). Curse of Tongues with Mortal Strike will usually make their healing quite ineffective. Curse of Shadows with some AE happy mage can quickly deliver huge amount of damage (Especially a mage with Ephemeral Power Trinket and Arcane Power Talent). A druid or a smart mage can cure those curses, but both a druid and a mage that cure curses in a fight are a rare sight.
And of course you have to remember that Divine Shield is on a 5 minute cooldown, so in WSG, if you keep tabs on who used their shield recently, you can usually finish off those paladins faster then usual (of course still not as fast as a priest for example).
From what I've seen on the field, usually the most effective paladins are the ones that put on a shield, and take on the role of a plated healer/dispeler rather then try to contribute fairly weak DPS. After all, cleanse is better then purge in any fights above 1v1 (PvE and PvP), if not for any other reason than the fact that in groups people focus on one target, which is usually the only one that really needs purging, while the whole group needs cleansing from negative effects (ranging from sheep and fear to crippling poison and frost nova).
I hope this helps!
First of all, while most people know that you can "bubble" out of silence (or almost anything), but not many know that you can't "bubble" out of school-silencing type of effect. So if you counterspell a paladin while they are doing nothing, it will not prevent them from using divinse shield. But if you counterspell them midheal, you get 10 seconds in which you can try to kill them, while all holy spells (including divine shield) go through 10 second cooldown.
Second, and this is of course more common knowledge, since divine shield costs mana, you can mana burn/drain paladins so that they cannot use it at all.
Of course neither method is too viable, but it's nice to know. A quick silence on an escorting paladin combined with a quick tagret switch can finish them off before most other healers can react.
Paladins do have one weakness, and it's their inability to cure curses (neither can shamans, but thats a different subject!). Curse of Tongues with Mortal Strike will usually make their healing quite ineffective. Curse of Shadows with some AE happy mage can quickly deliver huge amount of damage (Especially a mage with Ephemeral Power Trinket and Arcane Power Talent). A druid or a smart mage can cure those curses, but both a druid and a mage that cure curses in a fight are a rare sight.
And of course you have to remember that Divine Shield is on a 5 minute cooldown, so in WSG, if you keep tabs on who used their shield recently, you can usually finish off those paladins faster then usual (of course still not as fast as a priest for example).
From what I've seen on the field, usually the most effective paladins are the ones that put on a shield, and take on the role of a plated healer/dispeler rather then try to contribute fairly weak DPS. After all, cleanse is better then purge in any fights above 1v1 (PvE and PvP), if not for any other reason than the fact that in groups people focus on one target, which is usually the only one that really needs purging, while the whole group needs cleansing from negative effects (ranging from sheep and fear to crippling poison and frost nova).
I hope this helps!