I am curious about something....

[Occhidiangela]

Do you?  Honestly?  How much time have you spent in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran?  I know things are different there.  How much change has been created in Iraq and Afghanistan since we've been there?  What about the changes in Libya recently.  Look at Syria and some of the events that happened there recently.  Pakistan has been friendlier toward us too.  I have been paying close attention to that part of the world for the last few years.  I've been watching the news, reading print articles, reading the information our Military has given me, and I've talked with many people who have been there, both soldiers that served there and immigrants that left some of those countries.  Please try to avoid insulting me in the future.

When you started this thread you said "Jahcs, believe me I know why. I just want to hear it from their own mouths, but maybe I'm asking for too much."  Based on many other answers you've given in the thread I don't really think you've wanted to have a discussion on the issues you've raised.  You're waiting for the non-Muslim Western Women to show up and say "Oh my gosh, how could we have been so silly.  There's no way we can support Islam now!"  Whenever the discussion begins to expand into an area where additional insight can shed new light on the subject you shoot it down.  An internet forum is a dynamic environment.  Let the discussion evolve.

BTW:  For an example of a place where whispers could not be silenced by the jackboot of the Government look to the rise and decline of the Soviet Empire.  It took a long time, they passed through bleak times, but internal pressures were as much a factor as international pressures on that one.
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Seeing as to how he grew up on Soviet Russia . . .

Occhi