06-14-2005, 12:25 AM
Ashock,Jun 13 2005, 11:21 AM Wrote:Yes, this is not something new. However, it is something that happens relatively regularly in that type of culture and I was just using it as an example. My original post asked about non-Muslim females. It did not ask about violence in Islam. That is beyond arguing about anyway, and I do not want to argue about this, since that is pointless. What is competely irrefutable, is that females in Islam are treated worse, much worse than second class citizens. The comparisons between the west of 50-60 years ago and Islam of today are complete garbage, as women in muslim societies don't just have less rights, they have no rights, and it does not look like things are going to change without intervention.
I've read arguments about why Islam is or is not ..... [insert whatever]. I still have not heard arguments as to why any sane Western female would support that culture, considering that if they were a part of it, they would be on par with a cow.... maybe. Not that I was expecting any.
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You are confuaing the religious part of the culture with other parts of the culture, whcih is what peopel are coming down on you for. Whatever any religious book says or not, if a society has developed so that these things are allowed ,they will be allowed, if not, than not. Similar things, as I've said before, happen in non-nuslim areas nearby, with the chinese baby girl killings for instance, not based on religion but based on older traditions. Muslim law may say what it does, but it still takes a leader/tradition to get people to follow through on that.
About western females defending it, its a symbolic issue in a lot of cases it seems. Again, if one of these people were asked to live in Pakistan, they would probably saw no.
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