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Ashock,Jun 13 2005, 12:21 PM Wrote:I've read arguments about why Islam is or is not ..... [insert whatever]. I still have not heard arguments as to why any sane Western female would support that culture, considering that if they were a part of it, they would be on par with a cow.... maybe. Not that I was expecting any.
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It doesn't sound to me like you're interested in hearing arguments or an honest debate on the issue you brought up. Your reasoning, near as I can tell, follows the following logic:

1) Islam = stripping women of all rights and freedoms (not that this is all Islam is; but rather that this is one integral aspect of Islam)
2) Supporting the culture of Islam = supporting or at least condoning stripping women of these rights

I disagree that Islam neccessarily strips women of their rights and freedoms. So while I am not a woman, and I don't specifically support Islam (or, for that matter, any particular religion), I do support each person's right to choose for themselves. Furthermore, I reject the idea that any person or group of persons can perfectly lay down "the rules" from any god(s). I don't believe there is any particular "right" or "wrong" way to live. For me, that means that I call myself a Catholic and attend church, while vigorously opposing several major - and many minor - decisions of the pope and the church in general. For the "any western female" you aimed your original question at, I would suppose that that would mean belonging to an Islamic faith while not supporting gang-rapes. Doesn't seem to be a major contradiction to me, even if Muslims in general considered gang-rapes to be an appropriate and acceptable "punishment" (which I also do not believe).

The actions were brutal and unnaceptable - you will find no argument against that here. Your leaps of logic from that point on, however, are far less solid.

gekko
"Life is sacred and you are not its steward. You have stewardship over it but you don't own it. You're making a choice to go through this, it's not just happening to you. You're inviting it, and in some ways delighting in it. It's not accidental or coincidental. You're choosing it. You have to realize you've made choices."
-Michael Ventura, "Letters@3AM"
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