Warlock's talents building
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Drasca,Jun 10 2005, 03:05 PM Wrote:Small samples means you depend on small unlikely chances to win a battle. That's bull. Crits are wonderful when they happen, but only a desperate player is going to depend on them. In small samples, you'd also run out of mana or life with a Ruin investment. That's less overall damage.  I don't need just one or two crits. I want them all dead. Ruin doesn't provide the staying power compared to dark pact or soul link.

And that is where you are totally wrong. In group orientation, what is the first thing you do as a Warlock when you see an enemy Warlock, you BANISH their pet. How much staying power does a Pact 'Lock or Link 'Lock have when their pet is Banished, very little. They just invested 31 talent points, most wastefully if they went Link, and you just took away their little ace in the hole. The problem is Drasca, you are looking at this in a 1vX mode, don't. SM/Ruin is designed for GROUP and RAID play, not solo or two person situations. This is the complete power of SM/Ruin and the complete downfall of Pact and Link, the group dynamic. The ability to kick out large amounts of damage QUICKLY is the key to a successful PvP and PvE confrontation, this is why Mages and Rogues excell in PvP.

Quote:You don't see beyond the single, double, triple, crit picture. Too bad.
You won't be able to spam SB's against any half decent opponent. PvP, group or no, is about tactics, control and interrupts. Out damaging only works when they have pitifully low health, and even our PvP rogues have over 4k health.

And as I stated above, a Link 'Lock that has had their pet Banished is SCREWED! Remember that, if the Pet is banished, it aids you in no way, not even by taking damage, being sacrificable, or generally using its powers in your favor. Meantime, an SM/Ruin 'Lock can toss out a variety of spells like Corruption to try and get a proc for a SB, Siphon Life, Death Coil, Searing Pain, Shadowburn, Immolate, SB normal cast if they can keep people off them, and a variety of other things. The Link 'Lock has lost their main reason for their talent expenditures once the pet gets Banished, the SM/Ruin 'Lock shrugs and keeps going while the Link 'Lock shrivels up and dies.

Quote:I've already calculated SB spam damage, and for every component. Its not that much more damage.

On a small scale, its one shadowbolt. One crit? One battle? Pfft. Not enough.

Warlocks do much more with talent investment up to shadowburn than with ruin. Both dark pact and Soul link give a lot better staying power than Ruin.

Ruin builds depend on inconsistent crits in pvp. Full talent spec Searing Pain, the crits become more consistent, but ruin alone isn't enough. Dark pact and Soul link investment are still far superior to ruin.
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Again Drasca, what good is Link or Pact when your demon is BANISHED! You forget that Warlocks are probably their own worst opponents because they know what the other Warlock can do and the smart Warlock Banishes as the first thing. You totally keep glossing over this one aspect and keep trying to play around like your opponent isn't going to be smart enough to think of this route. We're Warlocks, we know our class weaknesses and we know our class strenghts and any Warlock that doesn't cast Banish on the enemy Warlock's pet as their first action need to be slapped up side the head. Get it through your head, Banish totally nullifies Soul Link and Dark Pact, mean time, Banish has no real effect on a Destruction 'Lock or an SM/Ruin 'Lock cause they don't need to depend on the crutch that is their pet.
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Warlock's talents building - by fieldy - 05-27-2005, 03:59 PM
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