Defensive Stance

[Kevin]

It can; I think the critical difference here may be our respective usual party compositions.  It's nigh impossible to go on a level 60 Lurker/Carpe Aurum run, especially a 10-man, without a rogue or three, and we tend to rely on a lot of saps -- which, of course, must be applied pre-combat, and which will be broken by any AoE at the point of attack... ruling out TC.

Even with that caveat, though, there are just a metric buttload of places in Strat/Scholo/BRS where you really need to bring the mobs to you (which also rules out sap as a CC option), because if you CC them at the spawn point the chances of getting additional aggro from nearby camps is entirely too high, or because you're pulling a group of mobs into an entirely different room to take advantage of LoS.  In these cases, it's still of course possible to charge mid-pull if you're not the puller, but one of the benefits of charge is stopping the mob while it's still at range.  That's not so much effective when you're trying to drag the mobs back to the party.
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Good to know. This is exactly the stuff I'm looking for. While I've casually read some of the info on higher instances I didn't really try to absorb it, because I know it will still be a fair bit of time before I see it because of how I play my characters. But it is really sounding like, as you said earlier, that the TM utility gets less and less. That is what I'm thinking about Last Stand as well.

That would mean, if I drop Last Stand, that I could free up 6 points which would allow me put one more point in to max out Toughness, put 3 points in Improved Sunder, and have 2 points to put in anticipation or improved Sunder or even improved Shield Wall (doing that would be like effectively only losing 15 seconds on last stand, though I can't wall as often as I can stand).

Just makes me go hmmm even more. :) I don't see the 5 points in deflection or the 11 points in the fury tree going anywhere, I would need some strong arguments agains those.