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Quote:First off, weapon damage is always integer, so it's just 203-402 damage. 
[203-402] * (1 + 2 + 2.14 + 2.14 + 2.14 + 4.58) = [203-402] * 14 = [2842-5628]

Thanks for the rounding tidbit, it makes absolutely no difference to the illustration. I thought I had accounted for the 1 in 1+2.5 = 3..5 to get to original damage, but it appears, on further review, that I did not. Irrelevant for the illustration, the base damage is used by both, but BOOOOOOO! HISSSSSSSS!! careless of me.

Quote:Also, there is no global physical resistance in 1.10, so you don't that damage divide by 2.  You would, however, have to consider the resistance of the specific monster you're fighting.

What? I must have missed a memo. 1.10d? OK, that changes it to "11ish versus 9ish" for a monster with one immunity, a generally expectable case.

Quote:The LCS states how much damage you're dealing, not how much damage the monster is taking.  That is, the listed damage will be the same regardless of whom you're fighting.  This is not a bug; it's a design decision..  However, the LCS value is also often wildly inaccurate, so that part is a bug.
I really don't follow your math.  For one thing, you'd still have to make it slvl 25,

No, I don't. I presumed rares added combat skills, not All Paladin Skills. However, the Skulders should have made the auras 21 not 20. Blah again, sloppy sloppy sloppy.

Quote:For another, conviction applies to all three elemental damages (fire, lightning, and cold), while you're just applying it to one of them.

No, I add all three. Note the THREE 2.14's. Why do yo think I wrote it thusly? (2+2.14 + 2.14 + 2.14 +3.73)

But OOPS, EEEP! I forgot about the cap at 100. GAAAAAAAAH! Maybe the break point comes at Fanaticism somewhere in the thirties due to the cap. :blush:

Quote:However, for a fair comparison, you'd really have to consider the monster's resistances instead of just assuming they're all 0%.  The higher the resistances are, the scales tip in favour of conviction.  And you'd have to somehow factor in fanaticism's speed boost; the damage per second is more important than the damage per attack.

Excuse me.

I considered the difference between a frame here and there compared to the miss frequency I would expect with Fanatacism compared to Conviction. What is the significant difference between a 5 frame attack or a 6 frame attack, when the monster dies in maybe two seconds? In two seconds, it is 10 versus 8, in 2.2 seconds 11 versus 9 . . . attempts to hit. On a monster for monster basis where one is killing each in a few seconds, the occasional extra hit does not strike me as significant. If all we are discussing is bosses in 8 player games . . . the extra two attempts every few seconds might start to make a difference.

A miss does ZERO damage. Conviction's -DR combined with Vengeance's AR boost, 95% to hit arrives rather quickly.

I also assume a character level < or = 85. Why? I rarely go past that, as Baal is usually dead by then. If one gets ahead of the clvl/mlvl curve, the miss issue changes a bit as Fanatacism gets a closer shot at 95% to hit when the gap widens between clvl and mlvl.
Quote: It is true that conviction is a much better aura to go with vengeance, but the math you used to show this was very flawed.

I am out of practice, for sure, and could have used another proof on the way through.

Hmmmmm. I just went back and noted that I did not spell out "combat skills." Man, really out of practice.

*scratches head*

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