01-07-2005, 07:41 PM
The build you've shown is very similar to the one I chose. I originally chose mine to specialize in Ambush. However the Cheap Shot stunning would seem to be more useful against casters that can root/snare/dot me. So I played around a bit with the talents, and came up with a hybrid, so you can use either tactic depending on the situation.
It's essentially the same allocation as the one you listed, so I'm not going to list it all over again. The differences are:
Sacrifice 5 points in Elusiveness/Ghostly Strike for 5 points in Opportunity.
Sacrifice 3 points in Improved Sap for 3 points in Improved Ambush.
Optional:
Sacrifice 1 point in Improved Instant Poison for one additional point in Improved Cheap Shot.
Sacrifice 2 more points in Improved Instant Poison for 2 points in Murder.
Here's the reasoning. Elusiveness/Ghostly Strike are not bad, but not that great. You're going to have Preparation for quick double skill use, so Elusiveness is not that critical. Ghostly Strike is good, but if you need dodge, you can use Evasion. The skills are a reasonable sacrifice to get the 5 points necessary for Opportunity to unlock Improved Ambush.
Improved Sap is a great skill for PvE. But I'll argue that you won't be gimped without it. In most solo'ing you won't need to use it unless you want to do things you wouldn't normally be able to do. In most groups, you'll have someone else to help with the 'sap' abilities, or won't need to sap more than one with a strong group and good pulls. Also if you must have it, you can take one more point from Improved Instant Poisons and one point from Improved Cheap Shot to get a 60% chance to regain stealth which is pretty decent.
Improved Instant Poison is a good skill, but I think I'd rather have a 40 energy Cheap Shot than 2% higher chance to apply poisons.
Again, Improved Instant Poison is good, but I'd personally rather have a 5% higher chance to hit for my key skills.
Now to explain the alternate PvP tactic when you decide you don't really need stun.
Obviously you start in stealth. Your 75%+ movement speed will go to about 110% with Sprint if you need to catch up to your target a bit, the cooldown of which will be refreshed with Preparation if you need to run. Once you're on your target, start it off with an Ambush. Gauge, Vanish, and Ambush again. Depending on how many combo points you got from initiative, use Sinister Strike's to get it up to 5 for a Cold Blood Eviscerate. Hit Preparation and Gauge/Vanish/Ambush again. Use Sinister Strikes to get your CP's up to 5 and CB/Evis again.
So with this you get off 3 Ambushes, which have 20% extra weapon damage bonus, 45% chance to crit, and 30% extra crit damage. Very high burst DPS to kill someone quickly when you don't need stun.
BTW, I didn't come up with the original Ambush spec. I found it posted it in the Thottbot Rogue Talents comments.
It's essentially the same allocation as the one you listed, so I'm not going to list it all over again. The differences are:
Sacrifice 5 points in Elusiveness/Ghostly Strike for 5 points in Opportunity.
Sacrifice 3 points in Improved Sap for 3 points in Improved Ambush.
Optional:
Sacrifice 1 point in Improved Instant Poison for one additional point in Improved Cheap Shot.
Sacrifice 2 more points in Improved Instant Poison for 2 points in Murder.
Here's the reasoning. Elusiveness/Ghostly Strike are not bad, but not that great. You're going to have Preparation for quick double skill use, so Elusiveness is not that critical. Ghostly Strike is good, but if you need dodge, you can use Evasion. The skills are a reasonable sacrifice to get the 5 points necessary for Opportunity to unlock Improved Ambush.
Improved Sap is a great skill for PvE. But I'll argue that you won't be gimped without it. In most solo'ing you won't need to use it unless you want to do things you wouldn't normally be able to do. In most groups, you'll have someone else to help with the 'sap' abilities, or won't need to sap more than one with a strong group and good pulls. Also if you must have it, you can take one more point from Improved Instant Poisons and one point from Improved Cheap Shot to get a 60% chance to regain stealth which is pretty decent.
Improved Instant Poison is a good skill, but I think I'd rather have a 40 energy Cheap Shot than 2% higher chance to apply poisons.
Again, Improved Instant Poison is good, but I'd personally rather have a 5% higher chance to hit for my key skills.
Now to explain the alternate PvP tactic when you decide you don't really need stun.
Obviously you start in stealth. Your 75%+ movement speed will go to about 110% with Sprint if you need to catch up to your target a bit, the cooldown of which will be refreshed with Preparation if you need to run. Once you're on your target, start it off with an Ambush. Gauge, Vanish, and Ambush again. Depending on how many combo points you got from initiative, use Sinister Strike's to get it up to 5 for a Cold Blood Eviscerate. Hit Preparation and Gauge/Vanish/Ambush again. Use Sinister Strikes to get your CP's up to 5 and CB/Evis again.
So with this you get off 3 Ambushes, which have 20% extra weapon damage bonus, 45% chance to crit, and 30% extra crit damage. Very high burst DPS to kill someone quickly when you don't need stun.
BTW, I didn't come up with the original Ambush spec. I found it posted it in the Thottbot Rogue Talents comments.
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