The Rogue's Gallery
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Dezz,Jan 6 2005, 03:43 PM Wrote:Hi all, this is Dezz of the Basin (and Lurker since D1 days) putting in my 2 cents.  :)

  The build Occhi posted above looks awesome for an endgame build, but most of the "burst dps" and "stunlock" builds out there rely on 21 or 31 point talent rewards, and may be of marginal benefit until one nears 50.  Since talent respecs are available, I decided to focus on combat talents to ease the PvE time to 60, then respec for PvP play.

EDIT: Correction

Just to make sure there is not confusion, that build is Yojack's input to the BNET forums Rogue discussion. He had initially posted on another board, though I am finding out that any number of others probably created the build's framework during the beta. I am merely a messenger. Concillian points it out as being close to Osiris' build from CB, if I read that correctly. (Note: Concillian, if I misunderstood you, please set me straight.)

Your comment in re "it is based on a build rounding out in the 50's" rings true. A suggested build order . . .
Quote:First, ghost strike + evasion = 7 secs of Godmode (90%+ dodge chance). Use prep and it is 14 secs =)

2 ss
5 mod
5 malice
3 evis
Then finish assassination up to cold blood, getting leathality to 5 then ruthlessness and relentless strike, then imp instant poison 3, then cold blood.

Then finish subtlty up to prep asap so:
5 camo
5 init
3 imp sap
etc....

In post 107, further comments:

I obviously haven't suffered too much getting to level 26 without cheapshot ;) But now I have it woot! To be honest, every build works at levels below 30. The mobs just arent that tough and the most important thing is how good your weapons are at the early levels. I can level with NO talents as long as my weapons were decent, up to about lvl 35.

As a card carrying Variant Scum, this comment leaves me wondering how item dependent this build is at early levels. The definition of "decent" items varies from player to player, and I suspect that the general Blizz crowd tends to view neccessity/sufficiency of certain items differently that I do. I will quote KingOfPain and say "items are for wimps!" :D

Quote:  Blackavar is 33 now and having fun.  I currently have talents spent as follows:

With around a 35% chance to dodge or parry I don't get hit much, and generally finish fights v. even cons at around 85% health...just enough time to loot, skin and move on to the next fight.  I actually have enjoyed Garotte and Rupture, especially since Rupture dps doesn't change with number of combo points.  Fast weaps, 2 bleeds, poisons, and procs make for a lot of numbers spinning over that baddie's head.

  With a background as a tank in other MMO's,  I like the idea of being able to go toe to toe with lots of creatures.  "Play a tank then!" you say?  I like being invisible, too.  :)  That said, I got to thinking about a viable talent allocation that would build on my current points, be fun to play, and suprise (and maybe scare) people.  With that, I bring you "House of Flying Daggers":

Would be pretty simple really.  Using 2 daggers around 1.5 delay and Deadly Poison, Cheap Shot-->Slice & Dice-->Blade Flurry.  That would equal 15 seconds of 50% haste, swinging around twice per second.  Chances are excellent that all 5 possible applications of Deadly poison would be complete in the first 6 seconds, equaling around 50 additional dps.  Hang on and enjoy the ginsu ride.  :shuriken:

  This build is mainly a goof, but hey...I like to be different.  With cheap respecs it could be fun to try for a while, would give you a better chance in cases where you did not have the initiative, and might even freak some warrior or pally out who thought you'd be an easy fight.  :lol:
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Thanks for that, it looks fun, and I love variety!

This thread's entire aim is to provide fodder for me to act as editor for a Rogue Guide here at the Lounge. I promise to any and all contributors that credit and attribution shall be up front and open! The idea is to have a first class strat document available.

Occhi
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The Rogue's Gallery - by Occhidiangela - 12-03-2004, 10:16 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Cryptic - 12-13-2004, 05:15 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Tal - 12-13-2004, 05:43 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Treesh - 12-13-2004, 06:33 PM
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The Rogue's Gallery - by Quark - 12-24-2004, 12:12 AM
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The Rogue's Gallery - by Guest - 12-28-2004, 03:57 AM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Concillian - 01-04-2005, 02:20 AM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Concillian - 01-04-2005, 03:14 AM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Malakar - 01-04-2005, 07:19 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Concillian - 01-04-2005, 08:46 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Occhidiangela - 01-06-2005, 05:13 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Concillian - 01-06-2005, 08:39 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Occhidiangela - 01-06-2005, 09:19 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Dezz - 01-06-2005, 09:43 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Occhidiangela - 01-06-2005, 09:57 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Concillian - 01-06-2005, 11:03 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Malakar - 01-07-2005, 07:41 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Concillian - 01-07-2005, 10:23 PM
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The Rogue's Gallery - by Malakar - 01-08-2005, 01:07 AM
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The Rogue's Gallery - by Occhidiangela - 01-10-2005, 03:25 PM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Concillian - 01-11-2005, 01:16 AM
The Rogue's Gallery - by Roland - 01-18-2005, 11:21 AM
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The Rogue's Gallery - by Roland - 01-19-2005, 01:29 AM
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The Rogue's Gallery - by Kevin - 01-19-2005, 10:44 PM
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The Rogue's Gallery - by Roland - 01-20-2005, 06:15 AM
The Rogue's Gallery - by vor_lord - 01-20-2005, 03:16 PM
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