Changes to the Stormrage Guild system

[Tal]

I don't think I can use the quote function well enough, but in his post above of 12:08 am, Tal said: "No I am realistic in my expectations of the folk that play on Stormrage that they will want to guild with their friends and family. Rather than creating a hostile environment by informing people they cannot do this I have made what I feel is a fair compromise. Thanks for kicking my good intentions in the teeth."  Correctly or not I took this statement as an accusation that I proposed excluding people (specifically family and friends of guild members) from the guild, and hence painted me as an exclusionist.

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Your earlier statements would indicate that you are in favor of excluding people:

Now that I have read subsequent posts, I can add that I don't want guild folks inviting family and friends, or neat people they have partied with!  When I have had inquiries I have told people that the guild is open to "people known as posters on the lounge."  I am happy to answer questions about the lounge and to direct folks to us.
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I believe guild members should come from the ranks of the forums.  Clearly we have a difference of opinion.

I would be delighted if our lurkers guild drove quality participants to the forum, but you put the cart before the kodo.
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This in itself is a contradiction. All members should come from the ranks of the forums but the guild is supposed to drive quality participants to the forum? I'm assuming you mean people from outside the guild when you state this but to me this is just asking for the "wankers" that Mongo doesn't want to show up.

I do expect that someone invited into our guild would have some history with the lounge (or from the basin).
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Lastly, my expectations for the guild were not solely based on my imagination.  I urge you and anyone following this discussion to read the following two threads that pertain to the formation of the guild:

http://www.lurkerlounge.com/forums/lofiver....php/t4599.html

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If you look at those threads I stated that I would prefer there be no hierarchy in the guild. I still would prefer that there be none - hence my statements that the Officer rank were not any more special than the Lurker's rank.

I feel angry and betrayed.  I thought we had reached consensus.  I apologize that my tone in this thread has been antagonistic.
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I am sorry that you feel angry and betrayed as this was not my intention in the slightest. But I hope you can imagine my feelings of anger and betrayal to be approached by an outsider about the behavior of one of our Lurkers. To twice have blue bind-on-pickup items snaked out from under the group by another Lurker. We're just over a month into retail and have had more incidents than all of Beta. I'd be a fool to not put into place some kind of security net to protect the interests of the Lurker Lounge. As Mongo stated - the Lurker's guild is a walking advertisement for the Lurkers Lounge. I'm trying to fufill that mandate the best I can.