Ochi reason number one...

[Grumpy]

To be honest, I dont understand this.  I could really give a crap about the figures, becasue I agree with Occi.  He may not have been the smartest buisness man, but he's doing fine in the oval office.  And you've yet to disprove that.  All you've done is spout figure after figure from a time long gone, having no effect whatsoever on the discussion.

Statistics about druge use, and underage drinking can be attributed to alot of things.  Hell, if you really look at them, and understand what you're looking at, you'd notice that both went up sharply when grunge rock hit its peak in early 90-91'.  Dont think the political climate had a whole lot to do with that.  :D

It seems to me that you're rather hellbent on hating Mr. Bush, for any cause that suits your purpose.

I dont think he's the smartest, or the best at what he does, and Ill even concede that he's probly not the best president in the last 3-4 decades.  That doesnt diminish his work as president in the last 2 years, and his right to, at the very least, our respect; for he is our president, one way or the other.

I do not need to be "hell bent" on hating Mr. Bush, it comes naturally.

Has anyone noticed the religious overtomes of his speeches, useing words like "divine plan" or "god" or "evil doers" in his speeches?

In regards to the sarcastic "democracy" comments, when was the last time a president was elected when he got less votes than his opponent?

In what country can you imagine a scenario in which the deciding sector of votes (florida), is governed by one candidates brother (Jeb), that a HUGE debacle occurs over the count, and you are not suspicious?

His history in Texas is atrocious, nothing short of disgusting. If you would like to ignore that history, which I view as quite significant, than continue to do so. Someone please tell me in what way he did a good job governing that state??

He got in to college on his father's back. Barely passed. C average, and I would wage my paltry earnings that the professors were not gradeing him tough.

I would honestly prefer a minimum of 20 different posters in this forum as President over him.

I do not agree with Bush's policy decisions on taxes, big business, foreign policy, environmetal issues...and so much more.

The negative effects of this was will reverberate for hundreds of years to come, if not longer. We have aliented our friends and destroyed alliances. We will put in another puppet dictator. Not a democracy. If you look at the history of our goverment interventions, we do not support democracy, we support dictators. The fact remains that allies like Saudi Arabia, if democratic, simply would not be our allies. The people hate the US. Nearly everyone hates us more now.

Bush will continue to project his religious zeal upon the world. His friends will get rich. His suffering ego will be appeased.

"That doesnt diminish his work as president in the last 2 years, and his right to, at the very least, our respect; for he is our president, one way or the other."

...and then this, please tell me what he has done in the last 2 years?? And please tell me why I should respect someone I think is nothing short of barbarian. I do not respect his opinions, his intelligience, his policy decisions or his integity. He lies, he cheats, he steals, he invades.

I have never been more embaressed my our president. If you respect him, that's your opinion, but I would greatly appreciate to hear one person explain to me why I should respect this hollow shell of a man.