09-10-2004, 04:31 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-10-2004, 04:56 PM by Occhidiangela.)
EDIT: nine spelling errors. Preview button is right there, eh?
How does anti-American sentiment justify terrorism, murder, and bloodshed? Or, for that matter, anti Israeli, anti Spanish, anti Korean, etc?
It does not. It is, as I spelled out up there, a tool of force to try to impel others to do your will. Bullying with satchel charges, if you will.
What does that matter? 50,000 people die every year in America from traffic accidents. People die every day. Fewer people died in Iraq during the war than in the three years before the war, if you believe the reports on the excesses of Saddam's regime. (Not sure I buy them all.)
That in a nation "not at war." Body count is irrelevant, a useless metric. People are dying now, but most of them are either coalition soldiers, relative innocents who are in the wrong place when a car bomb goes off, specific targets of the warring factions, or the Iraqi and Foreign Fighters who are actively trying to DESTABALIZE IRAQ through violence for their own selfish ends. If you picture nine crime famlies in a gangland war for New York, you will see a clearer picture.
You have no idea how insulting that underlined part is. I know propaganda when I see it, and I daresay far more clearly than youdo. I am fully aware of how information is used by an immense variety of public actors to influence events. I, unlike your typical "it's all America's fault" drooler can see about 29 sides. I then choose the a few I prefer.
As for "accepting responsibility for the past:" a non sequiter, and of zero value. We, and that's all of us, have a future to build. The past we can learn from, the whigning about who killed whom takes us back to Cain and Abel. Wasted effort.
Gekko, as I have noted here on this forum previously, I have been involved in the struggle against Islamic terrorists since 1983, on and off, though I have been influenced by it since about 1972 on an emotional level. Many naive fools like yourself didn't even know it was going on. Enough, I am starting to see red.
You also did not appear to bother to read my post, nor to comprehend how I referenced a propaganda campaign from " the other side" as it were.
You read well.
Either I write like a wanker, or you might want to chew a tad more slowly, and digest some of the chunks of stew beef before regurgitating up the same old Pinko wheeze.
Occhi
PS: Now, to set aside the Blah blah about America being a legitimate target of a terrorists, please explain France and Spain as legitimate terror targets. Koreans. Philippinos. Italians.
Just remember, I generally know BS when I see it. It's sorta tough to BS an old BS'er. ;)
Rogue out.
How does anti-American sentiment justify terrorism, murder, and bloodshed? Or, for that matter, anti Israeli, anti Spanish, anti Korean, etc?
It does not. It is, as I spelled out up there, a tool of force to try to impel others to do your will. Bullying with satchel charges, if you will.
Quote:How many Iraqui (sp?) civillians have died as a result of american bombs?
What does that matter? 50,000 people die every year in America from traffic accidents. People die every day. Fewer people died in Iraq during the war than in the three years before the war, if you believe the reports on the excesses of Saddam's regime. (Not sure I buy them all.)
That in a nation "not at war." Body count is irrelevant, a useless metric. People are dying now, but most of them are either coalition soldiers, relative innocents who are in the wrong place when a car bomb goes off, specific targets of the warring factions, or the Iraqi and Foreign Fighters who are actively trying to DESTABALIZE IRAQ through violence for their own selfish ends. If you picture nine crime famlies in a gangland war for New York, you will see a clearer picture.
Quote:The propaganda you refer to, 'brainwashing' people to believe that american is responsable for the terrorists attacks, is not the only propaganda circulating. You seem to fall far on the other side of the fence here. However, I think we can all agree that america is not perfect; america's foreign policy is not and has not always been perfect; and that american does its fair share to piss off a good deal of the world's population. Accepting some responsability for the past will go a long way towards convincing the rest of the world that americans should not be the target of terrorism.
You have no idea how insulting that underlined part is. I know propaganda when I see it, and I daresay far more clearly than youdo. I am fully aware of how information is used by an immense variety of public actors to influence events. I, unlike your typical "it's all America's fault" drooler can see about 29 sides. I then choose the a few I prefer.
As for "accepting responsibility for the past:" a non sequiter, and of zero value. We, and that's all of us, have a future to build. The past we can learn from, the whigning about who killed whom takes us back to Cain and Abel. Wasted effort.
Gekko, as I have noted here on this forum previously, I have been involved in the struggle against Islamic terrorists since 1983, on and off, though I have been influenced by it since about 1972 on an emotional level. Many naive fools like yourself didn't even know it was going on. Enough, I am starting to see red.
You also did not appear to bother to read my post, nor to comprehend how I referenced a propaganda campaign from " the other side" as it were.
You read well.
Either I write like a wanker, or you might want to chew a tad more slowly, and digest some of the chunks of stew beef before regurgitating up the same old Pinko wheeze.
Occhi
PS: Now, to set aside the Blah blah about America being a legitimate target of a terrorists, please explain France and Spain as legitimate terror targets. Koreans. Philippinos. Italians.
Just remember, I generally know BS when I see it. It's sorta tough to BS an old BS'er. ;)
Rogue out.
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In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
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John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete
In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete