08-15-2004, 09:19 PM
Heiho,
well, let's say BP/BW are more allied as in 1.09 ;-)
It is true that you gain no exp when an IM'd opponent kills himself on Bones. I'm not sure if you gain quest solving, eg when Duriel kills himself with IM/Bones combination, because quest triggers are seldom the actual killing, but more often getting some items or smalltalk you can't get while the quest opponent is still alive. It is seldom necessary to kill the quest opponent really with your 'own hands' (as you know already).
I'm pretty sure that in both 1.10 beta and final there is no way to scratch your own Bones. The once succesful build of a CB-Bowmancer with Bones and ExAs didn't work in beta and final, partly because CB isn't carried with splashes anymore, partly because multiple splashes via friendly Bones aren't possible anymore. Maybe you had a special constellation, where the splash on a prisoned monster was simply reflected via the Bones, like it is with real walls in the map (I didn't pay attention to reflecting).
I tested with rogue and iron wolf hirelings, and also with my old Necrozon wearing Kuko, and the hirelings simply don't attack Bones anymore (as they did in 1.09), and if there are some foes behind the Bones the hirelings will attack them right through BP/BW without doing damage to the Bones.
In a PvP scenario foeish pets and hirelings will attack the Bones, but only if they're in the way or they are too far away to notice the casting player or his minions (this is much similar to the 1.09 behaviour of pets and hirelings against 'friendly' Bones, when no foe was in sight).
I wouldn't count piercing ExA graphics as only proof anyway, because piercing missiles with splashes are somewhat buggy. If you have bad AR, but high pierce chance, the graphics engine will show you lots of splashes along with FA/ExA, but they don't deal any damage if the CtH check failed with the first target. I simply don't know what else foolish things the 'improved graphics output' mentioned in patchlog110 will or won't show.
well, let's say BP/BW are more allied as in 1.09 ;-)
It is true that you gain no exp when an IM'd opponent kills himself on Bones. I'm not sure if you gain quest solving, eg when Duriel kills himself with IM/Bones combination, because quest triggers are seldom the actual killing, but more often getting some items or smalltalk you can't get while the quest opponent is still alive. It is seldom necessary to kill the quest opponent really with your 'own hands' (as you know already).
I'm pretty sure that in both 1.10 beta and final there is no way to scratch your own Bones. The once succesful build of a CB-Bowmancer with Bones and ExAs didn't work in beta and final, partly because CB isn't carried with splashes anymore, partly because multiple splashes via friendly Bones aren't possible anymore. Maybe you had a special constellation, where the splash on a prisoned monster was simply reflected via the Bones, like it is with real walls in the map (I didn't pay attention to reflecting).
I tested with rogue and iron wolf hirelings, and also with my old Necrozon wearing Kuko, and the hirelings simply don't attack Bones anymore (as they did in 1.09), and if there are some foes behind the Bones the hirelings will attack them right through BP/BW without doing damage to the Bones.
In a PvP scenario foeish pets and hirelings will attack the Bones, but only if they're in the way or they are too far away to notice the casting player or his minions (this is much similar to the 1.09 behaviour of pets and hirelings against 'friendly' Bones, when no foe was in sight).
I wouldn't count piercing ExA graphics as only proof anyway, because piercing missiles with splashes are somewhat buggy. If you have bad AR, but high pierce chance, the graphics engine will show you lots of splashes along with FA/ExA, but they don't deal any damage if the CtH check failed with the first target. I simply don't know what else foolish things the 'improved graphics output' mentioned in patchlog110 will or won't show.