07-29-2004, 11:27 AM
gekko;
"My point was that you can't box me into opposing ALL trading simply because I'm opposed to buying/trading for items that are most probably duped/hacked/botted."
The crux of the matter.
"You suggested that "there are websites where you can just buy those items," suggesting that such a practice is acceptable. I explained why such behavior is not acceptable -- buying items from botters encourages the botting to continue. Every dollar spent on hacked items may as well have been spent developing the next hack to hit the realms. I was not objecting to you purchasing items. I was objecting to your suggestion that purchasing items was acceptable behavior."
Earlier in this debate, the argument centred around the fact that ANY item purchases were unacceptable.
Now it seems to have shifted to, actually it's purchasing or trading hacked/duped items that is unacceptable (which I'm not commenting against).
Is it acceptable to purchase or trade (is there a difference between the two? Buying items encourages botting/duping because there is a value attached to the wanted items. This value still exists if buying with RL money is eliminated and is replaced by trading. People will continue to exploit an item with value to thier own adavatages.) items that are not duped/botted?
If so, how do you tell if an item isn't botted/duped. You suggest using common sense. But that's not infallible. So what happens if you trade/buy an item you think is legit, which you later find out (somehow..) is the product of duping/botting? IMO, the only way to be sure you don't get a botted/duped item is to never trade/buy items.
If you allow yourself to trade/buy for items that AREN'T "most probably duped/hacked/botted" then you how can you "object<snip> to <someones> suggestion that purchasing items was acceptable behavior."
Unless you do see a difference between trading and buying an item...
Sorry if I'm just going back over what nameless noob has already posted, but I consider this to be the heart of the discussion, unfettered by other tangents that might have confused the issue.
And I also apologize if I've missed anything, or am just helping to confuse things!
;)
"My point was that you can't box me into opposing ALL trading simply because I'm opposed to buying/trading for items that are most probably duped/hacked/botted."
The crux of the matter.
"You suggested that "there are websites where you can just buy those items," suggesting that such a practice is acceptable. I explained why such behavior is not acceptable -- buying items from botters encourages the botting to continue. Every dollar spent on hacked items may as well have been spent developing the next hack to hit the realms. I was not objecting to you purchasing items. I was objecting to your suggestion that purchasing items was acceptable behavior."
Earlier in this debate, the argument centred around the fact that ANY item purchases were unacceptable.
Now it seems to have shifted to, actually it's purchasing or trading hacked/duped items that is unacceptable (which I'm not commenting against).
Is it acceptable to purchase or trade (is there a difference between the two? Buying items encourages botting/duping because there is a value attached to the wanted items. This value still exists if buying with RL money is eliminated and is replaced by trading. People will continue to exploit an item with value to thier own adavatages.) items that are not duped/botted?
If so, how do you tell if an item isn't botted/duped. You suggest using common sense. But that's not infallible. So what happens if you trade/buy an item you think is legit, which you later find out (somehow..) is the product of duping/botting? IMO, the only way to be sure you don't get a botted/duped item is to never trade/buy items.
If you allow yourself to trade/buy for items that AREN'T "most probably duped/hacked/botted" then you how can you "object<snip> to <someones> suggestion that purchasing items was acceptable behavior."
Unless you do see a difference between trading and buying an item...
Sorry if I'm just going back over what nameless noob has already posted, but I consider this to be the heart of the discussion, unfettered by other tangents that might have confused the issue.
And I also apologize if I've missed anything, or am just helping to confuse things!
;)