05-22-2004, 12:49 AM
I'm also a fan of the Buffyverse, but I too have to agree with Cryptic on one point; I'm glad Buffy and Angel are both over now. Both series were feeling well and truly 'played-out' by the end. Definately time to put things to rest while its still possible to have a meaningful ending.
A few comments, some in response to questions posted here, some just pulled out of the ether:
* Lorne 'bowing out' at the end makes perfect sense for his character (IMO). He isn't, and never was, a Conanesque-fighter but hung in there because he was a loyal friend. He was asked to kill Lindsay by Angel. I'm positive he knew that Lindsay wasn't 100% evil -- particularly after years of Karoke in his club -- but he was persuaded it was the right thing to do. I think Lorne was slowly approaching his limits as the season wore on and his final decision wasn't surprising.
* Angel wanted Lindsay dead because he had no intention of simply replacing one evil prick with another. The whole season was arguably about the 'lesser of evils', but not the ending. Did Lindsay really need to die? Hell if I know... he wasn't evil, but he was weak... maybe Angel made a good call there.
* Unless there is indeed a TV movie sequel in the works, I'd say all of the heroes died at the end. They did what is sometime called 'Going out in a blaze of glory' -- a good death. Deaths like that is what people write massively exaggerated sagas about in later years.
* As they elude to many times in the show, neither death nor victory is really the point. They just had to fight until they couldn't any longer. I'd bet its the same for the senior partners. We know they aren't subject to that death part, I'd bet they aren't interested in victory either.
* Last but not least. What is with all this crap about a champion having to be so noble? Already inherit to being a champion of the downtrodden is a mammoth dose of self-sacrifice, the occasional beating, never being able to do things for your self, never getting a good paycheck, and, in Angel's case, tonnes of guilt. Why then is the champion also expected to refrain from sucker punches, sneak attacks, dirty tricks and general connivance? I love the fact that Angel poisoned Duke 'Whatshisname' with his army of 40000 demons. That's using the old noodle! After a century or two of practice at being an evil prick, he should be rather good at playing dirty pool. Furthermore, he shouldn't have any trouble knowing where the line between 'irredeemable evil' and 'justifiable evil' is, having been over said line more than a few times in the past. In the Buffyverse, a vampire is pretty low on the foodchain, even one with a nice coat -- I wonder how many of his hopeless fights he would have won if he were willing to be a right bastard on occasion?
Oh well. I'm glad its over but I'm sorry its over. How messed up is that?
Cheers.
A few comments, some in response to questions posted here, some just pulled out of the ether:
* Lorne 'bowing out' at the end makes perfect sense for his character (IMO). He isn't, and never was, a Conanesque-fighter but hung in there because he was a loyal friend. He was asked to kill Lindsay by Angel. I'm positive he knew that Lindsay wasn't 100% evil -- particularly after years of Karoke in his club -- but he was persuaded it was the right thing to do. I think Lorne was slowly approaching his limits as the season wore on and his final decision wasn't surprising.
* Angel wanted Lindsay dead because he had no intention of simply replacing one evil prick with another. The whole season was arguably about the 'lesser of evils', but not the ending. Did Lindsay really need to die? Hell if I know... he wasn't evil, but he was weak... maybe Angel made a good call there.
* Unless there is indeed a TV movie sequel in the works, I'd say all of the heroes died at the end. They did what is sometime called 'Going out in a blaze of glory' -- a good death. Deaths like that is what people write massively exaggerated sagas about in later years.
* As they elude to many times in the show, neither death nor victory is really the point. They just had to fight until they couldn't any longer. I'd bet its the same for the senior partners. We know they aren't subject to that death part, I'd bet they aren't interested in victory either.
* Last but not least. What is with all this crap about a champion having to be so noble? Already inherit to being a champion of the downtrodden is a mammoth dose of self-sacrifice, the occasional beating, never being able to do things for your self, never getting a good paycheck, and, in Angel's case, tonnes of guilt. Why then is the champion also expected to refrain from sucker punches, sneak attacks, dirty tricks and general connivance? I love the fact that Angel poisoned Duke 'Whatshisname' with his army of 40000 demons. That's using the old noodle! After a century or two of practice at being an evil prick, he should be rather good at playing dirty pool. Furthermore, he shouldn't have any trouble knowing where the line between 'irredeemable evil' and 'justifiable evil' is, having been over said line more than a few times in the past. In the Buffyverse, a vampire is pretty low on the foodchain, even one with a nice coat -- I wonder how many of his hopeless fights he would have won if he were willing to be a right bastard on occasion?
Oh well. I'm glad its over but I'm sorry its over. How messed up is that?
Cheers.