09-02-2003, 02:46 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-02-2003, 07:53 PM by Occhidiangela.)
the most enviromentally irresponsible (per-capita) nation
Since Kyoto is based on pseudo science, or at best junk science, even though there is some science involved, what kind of nonsense is that statistic?
Try living in a Third World country, or even southern ITaly, or try the environmentlaly irresponsible neighbor just south of me in Mexico.
Using a lot of energy does not equal environmental irresponsibility, (who brought you unleaded gas and the catalytic converter?) and insofar as per capita, may I refer you to Russia?
While I agree that too small of a core population seeks to use energy wisely and not wastefully, your framing a comment in "per capita environmental irresponsibility" tells a lot more about you than it does about your target.
Or do you have elaborate metrics that back up your position, based on data and not anecdote?
Addendum: By 2012, China, India and perhaps Indonesia, will all have outpaced the United States in CO2 and other greenhouse emissions. They are already seven to 10 times greater polluters on a per-dollar-of-GDP-produced basis. By then, they'll just be bigger polluters, period.
If you want environmental irresponsibility, I'd consider looking in another direction, such as in Somalia, where a few decades of piss poor agrarian policy reduced the amount of arable land, increased waste/desert land, and made Somalia considerably environmentally unsta.
Consider the 1991 deliberate release of barrels and barrels of oil into the Persian Gulf by Saddam Hussein. Consider the deliberate firing of the Kuwaiti oil fields. Environmentally irresponsible, and with 22 million, Iraq's per capita is pretty high on that score.
That said, I reclarify, I am not impressed with the size of the core population in the US whose energy consciousness equals or exceeds my own. The blackout was as much a product of undisciplined demand as shaky infrastructure.
Since Kyoto is based on pseudo science, or at best junk science, even though there is some science involved, what kind of nonsense is that statistic?
Try living in a Third World country, or even southern ITaly, or try the environmentlaly irresponsible neighbor just south of me in Mexico.
Using a lot of energy does not equal environmental irresponsibility, (who brought you unleaded gas and the catalytic converter?) and insofar as per capita, may I refer you to Russia?
While I agree that too small of a core population seeks to use energy wisely and not wastefully, your framing a comment in "per capita environmental irresponsibility" tells a lot more about you than it does about your target.
Or do you have elaborate metrics that back up your position, based on data and not anecdote?
Addendum: By 2012, China, India and perhaps Indonesia, will all have outpaced the United States in CO2 and other greenhouse emissions. They are already seven to 10 times greater polluters on a per-dollar-of-GDP-produced basis. By then, they'll just be bigger polluters, period.
If you want environmental irresponsibility, I'd consider looking in another direction, such as in Somalia, where a few decades of piss poor agrarian policy reduced the amount of arable land, increased waste/desert land, and made Somalia considerably environmentally unsta.
Consider the 1991 deliberate release of barrels and barrels of oil into the Persian Gulf by Saddam Hussein. Consider the deliberate firing of the Kuwaiti oil fields. Environmentally irresponsible, and with 22 million, Iraq's per capita is pretty high on that score.
That said, I reclarify, I am not impressed with the size of the core population in the US whose energy consciousness equals or exceeds my own. The blackout was as much a product of undisciplined demand as shaky infrastructure.
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John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete
In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete