03-05-2003, 12:35 AM
...that I didn't feel justified in killing, Gris. My father was that way. I made a vow never to be like that. It's a vow I'll take to the grave.
And you're right, "feminist" is a broad view. But I've known alot of feminists in my time, and no matter how non "man-hating" they were, they said or did things that just made my blood boil. To me, there's a difference between being proud, and standing up for yourself, and being just as bad as the people you hate. I respect all women, generally. But any woman who doesn't respect me doesn't deserve my respect.
I'm sorry if my comments offended you, or anyone else Gris. I understood my comments were a firebomb when I posted them. I didn't say them to start a war. I said them because it's what I feel. But, as I've already stated, I have never, and will never hit a woman, under any circumstances. And yes, that does include self-defense. After all I've seen and been through, I just can't bring myself to do it. It's a personal issue.
I don't think I could ever want to hit you, Gris. But then again, I don't see you as any sort of a feminist. Maybe I don't use the term properly. But if I don't, a good portion of feminists don't, as well. I have no problem with a women wanting to feel independent, strong, and proud. For all that, I encourage them. What gets to me is how they feel justified in taking out past wrongdoings on men. Abuse is abuse, and I don't tolerate it no matter who it comes from. It's not justified, ever. Two wrongs don't make a right. And that's where my dislike (sometimes even hatred) for feminists comes from. I've never met a single one, no matter how non-man-hating they were, who didn't feel justified in badmouthing, and just generally mistreating men solely because of their gender. And I've known some very nice, respectable "feminists" in my time.
At any rate, I'd rather drop the issue, at least publicly. It wasn't a can of worms I wanted to open. If you want to take it to private, be my guest. I'll respond. It's not a topic for this forum, though, and especially not for this thread.
And you're right, "feminist" is a broad view. But I've known alot of feminists in my time, and no matter how non "man-hating" they were, they said or did things that just made my blood boil. To me, there's a difference between being proud, and standing up for yourself, and being just as bad as the people you hate. I respect all women, generally. But any woman who doesn't respect me doesn't deserve my respect.
I'm sorry if my comments offended you, or anyone else Gris. I understood my comments were a firebomb when I posted them. I didn't say them to start a war. I said them because it's what I feel. But, as I've already stated, I have never, and will never hit a woman, under any circumstances. And yes, that does include self-defense. After all I've seen and been through, I just can't bring myself to do it. It's a personal issue.
I don't think I could ever want to hit you, Gris. But then again, I don't see you as any sort of a feminist. Maybe I don't use the term properly. But if I don't, a good portion of feminists don't, as well. I have no problem with a women wanting to feel independent, strong, and proud. For all that, I encourage them. What gets to me is how they feel justified in taking out past wrongdoings on men. Abuse is abuse, and I don't tolerate it no matter who it comes from. It's not justified, ever. Two wrongs don't make a right. And that's where my dislike (sometimes even hatred) for feminists comes from. I've never met a single one, no matter how non-man-hating they were, who didn't feel justified in badmouthing, and just generally mistreating men solely because of their gender. And I've known some very nice, respectable "feminists" in my time.
At any rate, I'd rather drop the issue, at least publicly. It wasn't a can of worms I wanted to open. If you want to take it to private, be my guest. I'll respond. It's not a topic for this forum, though, and especially not for this thread.
Roland *The Gunslinger*