An Interesting Take on BLM
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(07-07-2017, 11:33 AM)kandrathe Wrote: Except... The kumbaya approach you advocate here is to place the blame for the plight of blacks on black culture,

The current state of the subculture, yes. Of course not the past where they were clearly oppressed, don't conflate the past with the present here please; each has it's own valid yet disparate points to address.

(07-07-2017, 11:33 AM)kandrathe Wrote: which denies the reality of the real history of repression and racism.

What are you talking about? NOW, in this day and age, there is simply not nearly as much racism in this country as you'd try and make me believe. I don't believe every judge who tries and convicts a POC due to their unrepentant attitude is a racist, or a moron who indulges the fantasies or whims of whispers in their court; I don't buy that BS for one second! I've heard people in current days use the 'n' word, but its usually offhanded or out of anger and not meant to be racist, not real racism anyway. Quick sidetrack story here, I used that word myself, as have my friends, none of which were racist at all. Most of us were merely copying the lyrics popular in 90's rap because, believe it or not, the 'n' word was very popular back then and just saying it does not make you a racist.

Right now in this time in America, the POC in poverty have their own subculture, and it's even touted in art, poems, and songs by other POC trapped in this subculture. Many rap songs in the 90's documented the truth of this subculture mentality, and it didn't say anything about Whitey or oppression, but spoke out specifically about other POC, doing crime for money, the police trying to keep them down (from committing their crimes), and banging hoes. The rap songs didn't make this subculture what it is, it was already there... the songs just documented the reality of living in this subculture.

(07-07-2017, 11:33 AM)kandrathe Wrote: Why shouldn't we enable and embrace minority aspirations to improve the opportunities for the disadvantaged,

Isn't that what I'm advocating by embracing a change in cultural identity, by urging leaders to rise up and change the mentality of this subculture, by encouraging young girls to value themselves to go to college and young men to take responsibility for their babies? Again, your approach is to focus on the past and not the present. As I said in my last post, look at what has worked in other subcultures... and what hasn't. Giving too much to the poor makes then dependent. Not addressing a cultural identity when its the root cause of the problem does not solve anything. You can solve poverty and still not fix this issue because that is not 100% the problem! You keep trying to blame the issues befalling POC on systemic racism throughout the nation coming from the justice system itself, on poverty, on the past and segregation, on anything except the true issue here of their cultural identity.

I think at this point, we are talking in circles and regurgitating old materials in different ways. Obviously neither of us can change the others mind so unless I hear something new, I suppose this as good a time as any to agree to disagree and leave it at that. Up to you.
"The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self." -Albert Einsetin
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An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 06-25-2017, 03:41 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-25-2017, 05:14 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 06-26-2017, 07:49 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-26-2017, 01:34 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-25-2017, 07:49 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-25-2017, 08:00 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by eppie - 06-26-2017, 07:00 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-25-2017, 08:17 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Archon_Wing - 06-26-2017, 12:27 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 06-26-2017, 07:37 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Archon_Wing - 06-26-2017, 06:16 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-26-2017, 09:54 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-02-2017, 11:01 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-26-2017, 01:00 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-30-2017, 08:53 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 06-30-2017, 11:15 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 06-30-2017, 11:30 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-01-2017, 12:12 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-01-2017, 12:19 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-01-2017, 02:43 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-01-2017, 03:48 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-01-2017, 04:39 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-02-2017, 05:08 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 02:36 AM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-03-2017, 08:52 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-03-2017, 09:02 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-06-2017, 11:31 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-07-2017, 11:33 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Ashock - 07-07-2017, 06:27 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-08-2017, 04:44 AM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-07-2017, 07:23 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-07-2017, 08:21 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-08-2017, 04:10 AM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by Taem - 07-08-2017, 09:43 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-09-2017, 01:42 AM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by FireIceTalon - 07-12-2017, 05:48 PM
RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-13-2017, 04:35 AM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-04-2017, 10:32 PM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-06-2017, 04:28 AM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-07-2017, 02:58 AM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-07-2017, 05:51 AM
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RE: An Interesting Take on BLM - by kandrathe - 07-25-2017, 01:39 AM
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