07-03-2017, 06:35 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-03-2017, 03:41 PM by FireIceTalon.)
(07-03-2017, 02:36 AM)kandrathe Wrote: The informal fallacy of false dilemma is bread and butter to the argument of extremism. If we're not with you, then we're against you. In your narrow view of the world of possibilities the solutions are clear and limited
You're goddamn right they are. After over 400+ years of capitalism raping the planet and demonstrably enslaving humanity over and over again, yes, the solutions are clear as fucking day to me. Clearly, they aren't to you. Because for you, swimming in eclecticism is much cooler and more interesting - regardless of how many people suffer or how damaged the planet becomes.
Argument of extremism my ass. Ill tell you whats extreme. Extreme is 25,000 children dying per day due to starvation and malnutrition. Extreme is 1% of the population owning more wealth than the other 99% combined. Extreme is having the highest incarceration in history, with over half of that population being POC to boot. Extreme is being the biggest perpetrator of imperialism and terrorism then having the nerve to paint all those who resist you as terrorists. Shall I go on? Yes, I am an enemy of capitalism and the state and all its extremisms, and I wouldn't have it any other fucking way.
Please don't ever in your life talk to me about extremism, ever. This is your precious little free market doing its extreme work:
Quote:Fallacy two - the current mixed free enterprise system ( as truthfully you'd admit we are not purely capitalist) is equivalent to fascism, nazism, and supports the philosophy of white supremacists.
Not a fallacy, just you, once again, not understanding what capitalism is or how it works. There is no such thing as a "mixed economy", and the turds who made that term up know nothing about economics. I suppose the next thing you will say is that Feudal society was a mixed economy as well, right?
Nor did I ever say fascism, nazism and capitalism were all the same. A society can be capitalist without being fascist. However, a fascist society ALWAYS has a capitalist mode of production as the base, and fascists tend to favor the most undesirable and horrific features of the capitalist system. Nazism is very specific brand of fascism. You are confusing governments with economic bases. Pretty much all countries in the world are capitalist with slight variations in their political systems - be they soc dem, fascist, liberal democratic, military dictatorship, or theocracy - regardless they are all still capitalist. That being said, for as much as many capitalists claim to hate fascism, they sure are quick to use it when their little autocratic system of privilege and power becomes threatened.
Quote:Fallacy three - if you are a non-communist, you support fascism, nazism, and support the philosophy of white supremacists.
You may not directly support them, but you certainly have much more in common with them than you do any sort of revolutionary leftist. Ideologically you have much more in common with someone like Ashock than you do with me.
Quote:Plus, you engage in closet racism.
This is cute coming from a lolbertarian. You and liberal democrats are the MASTERS of implicit racism. Just ask Obama, Hilary or 75% of the other liberals in DC.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)