Winning!

[kandrathe]

This thread's a great example of how so many things get derailed so badly here.

• Original Poster comes in with an agenda, stating their opinion on something in a mildly incendiary way ("This is what liberals are fighting for. Grats!").
  
• Other posters of the opposite political leaning take the incendiary bait and challenge the Original Poster, not really over the issue, but because they fought with Original Poster in other threads.
  
• Someone at some point (in this case, me) jumps in and wants to discuss the point without including the incendiary language, separating the topic from the poster.
  
• Someone else suggests that the topic isn't worth discussing because they disagree fundamentally with the Original Poster.
  
• More posts flaming the Original Poster.
  
• Original Poster jumps back in, flaming the commenters and restating the original point in an even more incendiary way.
  
• Name-calling and flamewars.
  

Oh well. I'm not going to pretend this is a new thing, it's just that the Internet makes it a lot easier to play out.

When responses come in having nothing to do with the OP, because no valid counterpoints can be offered, they deserve a particular type of response. I believe I was very tame. Stick to a topic and discuss it, or don't post at all. As far as the chess with a pigeon.... well, that's not a flame and it's not directed at any particular individual. It is simply a statement of fact.

And, of course, I was not calling you a pig. I was quoting a well known phrase by Robert Heinlein. But, I feel you've worked very hard to be intentionally incendiary and offensive. As for pigeons pooping on the OP, e.g. "So basically you have no valid counter and therefore you are going off the tangent.", you went there when you used Women's soccer team as an example of female inferiority. Dibaba is running the 1500m in 3:50, add another 100 meters and women will break the 4 minute mile.

If you are correct, why do women in equivalent weight classes lift more than men of the 1970s? Could it be that women are capable of catching up to men? Men are also taking advantage of better training and science, so the edge in ability remains.

So.... To square the circle, so as to not topple your chess board, men get more training, more sponsorship, and engage in sport as a means of income in numbers double that of women. Is it any wonder that with that amount of advantages that men might do better?

Back, to Laurel, lest we stray. She is considered by the rules(due to her transition and measured testostrone levels) to now be female for competing. She has had a great advantage growing up male, but I doubt hundreds, or even dozens of women would consider gender reassignment to game the competition. The contrary question is, when people do choose to bravely face the controversy of transitioning, such as exhibited here, how would we include them in our society?