07-01-2015, 04:42 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-01-2015, 05:57 PM by FireIceTalon.)
I was going to let this go after putting Lem on ignore, but since you seem to want to push this...Fine.
Interestingly enough, it was Lenin and the Bolsheviks who decriminalized homosexuality after centuries of repression against queers under capitalist, Tsarist leadership. Perhaps you should put the Ayn Rand novels down and read a little more about the history of socialism (and no, The Black Book of Communism doesn't count).
And my friend, the only thing utopian are people like you who hold the myopic and EXTREMELY mechanical, deterministic view that capitalism represents the end of history. This system is already imploding across the globe, and I would say to think that this system can continue as it is, unabated, without any kind of radical social change taking place in the future - THAT is utopian thinking.
Perhaps because Marxism does a BETTER (note better, not perfect) job at explaining and understanding the world as it actually is, than mainstream political theories do? I'm sure that didn't occur to ya. If I found other methods to be better, I would adopt those, but very clearly they aren't. It is you, not I, that sticks to a particular framework for the sake of holding up your ideological values, instead of attempting to actually understanding the material workings of the world. You choose to construct your view the world in an abstract, metaphysical way so you can see it as how you WANT to see it, rather than as it IS. Idealism at its finest.
Fucking a, you make 50 bucks an hour, it is probably not in your class interests to adhere to a framework that slaughters your sacred cows and challenges your PRIVILEGED position in society, regardless of how truthful that framework may be. Given you are part of the so-called labor aristocracy, your dislike of Marxism comes as no surprise, really. I can understand that. But your credibility on judging its legitimacy as a systemic paradigm, is at best, shoddy.
And I fail to see how Das Capital "failed", since its primary objective was to provide and serve as a scientific analysis and description of what capitalism is and how it functions, based on an extremely rigorous research and inquiry. I would say in that sense, it has been very largely successful. Bourgeois economists still read it, and some have even tried to refute it but thus far have had little or no success in doing so. Marx was fascinated with capitalism, almost obsessed I would say, and wanted to learn EVERYTHING about how it worked, independent of any ideological or moral judgements.
Is this drivel really the best you have? A privileged white, straight Christian libertarian male who makes 50 bucks an hour typing, that denounces Marxism. Jeez, I've never seen that before, lulz
(07-01-2015, 03:51 PM)kandrathe Wrote: Um. How about the treatment of homosexuals under past and present communist governments? I see no rainbows there. Or, are we projecting to the fantasy-land Marxist utopia that has never, and will probably never exist?
Interestingly enough, it was Lenin and the Bolsheviks who decriminalized homosexuality after centuries of repression against queers under capitalist, Tsarist leadership. Perhaps you should put the Ayn Rand novels down and read a little more about the history of socialism (and no, The Black Book of Communism doesn't count).
And my friend, the only thing utopian are people like you who hold the myopic and EXTREMELY mechanical, deterministic view that capitalism represents the end of history. This system is already imploding across the globe, and I would say to think that this system can continue as it is, unabated, without any kind of radical social change taking place in the future - THAT is utopian thinking.
Quote:I suspect you are incapable of seeing anything beyond those RED goggles with RED blinders. >90% of the average persons life involves interacting with the capitalist system, either earning or spending wages. I'm sure if you put your mind to it, the mere act of defecating might hold some insights into the glory of Marx, and the failure of Das Capital.
Perhaps because Marxism does a BETTER (note better, not perfect) job at explaining and understanding the world as it actually is, than mainstream political theories do? I'm sure that didn't occur to ya. If I found other methods to be better, I would adopt those, but very clearly they aren't. It is you, not I, that sticks to a particular framework for the sake of holding up your ideological values, instead of attempting to actually understanding the material workings of the world. You choose to construct your view the world in an abstract, metaphysical way so you can see it as how you WANT to see it, rather than as it IS. Idealism at its finest.
Fucking a, you make 50 bucks an hour, it is probably not in your class interests to adhere to a framework that slaughters your sacred cows and challenges your PRIVILEGED position in society, regardless of how truthful that framework may be. Given you are part of the so-called labor aristocracy, your dislike of Marxism comes as no surprise, really. I can understand that. But your credibility on judging its legitimacy as a systemic paradigm, is at best, shoddy.
And I fail to see how Das Capital "failed", since its primary objective was to provide and serve as a scientific analysis and description of what capitalism is and how it functions, based on an extremely rigorous research and inquiry. I would say in that sense, it has been very largely successful. Bourgeois economists still read it, and some have even tried to refute it but thus far have had little or no success in doing so. Marx was fascinated with capitalism, almost obsessed I would say, and wanted to learn EVERYTHING about how it worked, independent of any ideological or moral judgements.
Is this drivel really the best you have? A privileged white, straight Christian libertarian male who makes 50 bucks an hour typing, that denounces Marxism. Jeez, I've never seen that before, lulz
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)