05-23-2014, 11:45 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-24-2014, 06:49 AM by FireIceTalon.)
(05-23-2014, 09:17 PM)Taem Wrote: Im on my phone and can't quote correctly, however I wanted to comment that I found the similarities between your last paragraph and FITs logic on the ideal society to be uncanny.
Erm, how so?
Kandrathe is a Libertarian, I am a Marxist. You cannot really get much more different then that. Sure, we both loathe the state (although we both have a very different understanding of what the state actually is, and what its origins and role are), and we both understand there is definitely a problem with the way things currently are. However, we both have very different views on what the roots of these problems are, and how and why they should be eliminated (or if they should be eliminated at all in some cases). We also, ultimately, have a very different vision on how society should be organized. If you look at our views superficially, yes, there are similarities, but on a more fundamental level we have little in common when it comes to both politics and economics. Not trying to pit myself against him, or the other way around, just stating things as they are. Jester is probably the "closest" person here to having my views, but even ours are radically different from one another; quite opposite on many levels in fact. Again, a liberal and a socialist have little in common (besides having a few peripheral similarities) even though many people today somehow think they are the same thing.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)