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Actually, (And I can't believe that I'm even doing this) The Biebs is a product of hard work, and discovery, but not because they wanted a star.

right

He was HUGE on Youtube before he got famous.

Which is proving a point?

He was actually discovered on Youtube, by the hardest working man in Show Biz, Usher Raymond.

Don't know who he is, don't care.

(who, despite being on the last season of the voice, I have a huge amount of respect for.)

The what?

Now, I can't stand his music, and I do think that he is a pretty big pain in the ass, but lets not perpetuate false information.

I don't know his music, or that he is a pain in the ass

He does have talent, he isn't just some pretty face with a mediocre voice. he is a musician.

If anyone with a voice and some dance moves, and the ability to play cords would be famous, where would that bring us.

And while I may not like his music, or his personality, I can respect his musicianship.

Yeah, we probably have different scales which we use to decide if someone gets our respect.

Now, that doesn't make what you said about the Industry incorrect "on a whole" Just in this specific case. They didn't decide to "make a star" out of the biebs. They decided to take a youtube star, and make him a global star. In essence, they just sped up the process. He was well on his way to being a huge star anyway.

O yeah, he obviously is the next Bob Dylan.

I have a large amount of loathing for the RIAA, and those companies that comprise it. I hate what they do to artists, and I abhor what they do to young people by sucking them up, shoving them in front of the world, and grinding them into a pulp.

Well my problem is more with all the poor teenagers that get pressured in to spending their money on this crap.....well, one positive thing; you just told me he used to be on youtube and that is free. (yeaaaa 1 point for Bieber)

My band came awfully close to getting a deal, and while I'm not rich, or famous now, I thank my magical being that sometimes grants me things that I would consider miracles that I didn't get signed. I've learned a lot since then, and one thing I learned is that I would have been dead inside 24 months.

Anyway, after reading your post; I don't know who is to blame, Bieber or his record company but I still don't get feeling of respect for them sending crap into the ether. And yes I have never heard one of his songs. and yes I am prejudiced against musicians