07-05-2013, 09:51 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-05-2013, 10:14 AM by FireIceTalon.)
No, and have no desire to. I already feel guilty enough knowing that the clothes I buy were probably made by some poor, oppressed worker in Honduras (though I probably shouldn't since clothes are a basic necessity of life).
And as far as the Rand novels go, I actually read one back in high school. Then, I wasn't a communist, but even then I still thought it was odd since one has to practically be a sociopath to think that the poor oppress the rich. I wasn't referring so much to the content of what her novels are about when I said "nightmare", but much more to the foolishness of the ridiculous ideology (objectivism) which her novels are based on. She was a nutjob, who thought some labor aristocracy existed and was oppressing the capitalist class (lmao) - as if poor big, bad capital was in danger from labor and workers. This women wrote about billionaires going on strike for taxes being too high. As if those poor billionaires deserve societies sympathies
She was completely delusional about how the world works, and so are most of her followers who swear up and down that she was right despite all the OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary.
Except this is inaccurate, since as has been noted a million times before, there is NO state in "commietopia". The state only exists in class based societies. Communism, by definition, is a classless society - and therefore also stateless.
You have it completely backwards. In Commie-topia, what YOU produce is actually YOURS. In Libertaria, what you produce belongs to some parasitic, property-owning capitalist or bureaucrat. Then ofc, the lolbertarians don't want any state intervention, yet cant comprehend that a state is required to protect their very privileged position in society.
I'd give your libertopia about a week before civil unrest if not full-blown revolution developed. It's freedom alright, the freedom for the leisure property-owning class to oppress and subjugate the propertyless class and their labor.
And as far as the Rand novels go, I actually read one back in high school. Then, I wasn't a communist, but even then I still thought it was odd since one has to practically be a sociopath to think that the poor oppress the rich. I wasn't referring so much to the content of what her novels are about when I said "nightmare", but much more to the foolishness of the ridiculous ideology (objectivism) which her novels are based on. She was a nutjob, who thought some labor aristocracy existed and was oppressing the capitalist class (lmao) - as if poor big, bad capital was in danger from labor and workers. This women wrote about billionaires going on strike for taxes being too high. As if those poor billionaires deserve societies sympathies
She was completely delusional about how the world works, and so are most of her followers who swear up and down that she was right despite all the OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary.Quote:In Libertaria, what's your is yours. So, when you leave, you take it with you. In Commietopia, there is no property, so you only share what the State says you can share. If you leave, you leave empty handed.
Except this is inaccurate, since as has been noted a million times before, there is NO state in "commietopia". The state only exists in class based societies. Communism, by definition, is a classless society - and therefore also stateless.
You have it completely backwards. In Commie-topia, what YOU produce is actually YOURS. In Libertaria, what you produce belongs to some parasitic, property-owning capitalist or bureaucrat. Then ofc, the lolbertarians don't want any state intervention, yet cant comprehend that a state is required to protect their very privileged position in society.
I'd give your libertopia about a week before civil unrest if not full-blown revolution developed. It's freedom alright, the freedom for the leisure property-owning class to oppress and subjugate the propertyless class and their labor.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (on capitalist laws and institutions)