07-02-2013, 11:51 AM
(07-02-2013, 10:07 AM)Jester Wrote: Well, I'm glad it's that easy to see. I assume we have a similar smell test to tell whether monogamous marriages are "really consenting"?
Quote:Well of course there are many cases of monogamous marriages which are not really consenting. Here in the Netherlands we try to get legislation to make people bringing cousins from Morocco to marry become more difficult (these things are almost always arranged by the parents).
But the big difference you can just discard is that a marriage between two adults is theoretically an equal thing. And a marriage between one man and 5 women isn't even theoretically. The norm is that it is a non-equal thing.
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But OK, let's do a test.....allow this for 5 years and if the amount of multiwive families is more or less the same as the amount of multihusband families let's allow it for good. What do you think?
That seems like a very strange criterion. That's like saying we should allow trial gay marriages, and if the number of lesbian marriages doesn't equal the number of gay male marriages, then we should scrap the whole deal. I don't understand what sense this makes, except that you don't like Mormon polygamy, which I agree with, but then, I don't like Catholic monogamy much, either.
-Jester
Not a good argument. A marriage between two male gays and one between two female gays are still equal marriages. If for some reasons lesbian are less willing to get married than gay men are, I don't see a problem. Enough man/woman couples decide not to get married. (in the Netherlands you can by the what also get a legal 'living-together-contract'; you are not married but have the same rights.
(What my feeling about Mormon polygamy are is not relevant. Polygamy is natural. Males of most species want to mate with as many females as possible, but that is not how our society works. Especially now that sex and reproduction are not the same thing anymore. If you want to have sex with as many partners as possible you just go ahead and as long it is consenting there is no problem, but don't say you do it because god tells you to.
In modern society we have rightfully decided that man/woman/black/white/hetero/gay etc. should have the same right because they are emotionally and intellectually equal; that is why a marriage should be between two consenting persons.)
Of course a lot of this depends on how we have chosen to build our society, but if you are really into hitting your wife and being supreme rules of your household etc. you just have to emigrate.
Catholic monogamy also to me is not a good thing. That is why I favor the rights for gay people to get married.
By the way, also Catholic gays have the right to get married.....to someone from the other sex making them frustrated.