Maryland abolishes death penalty.

[Hammerskjold]

The problem with social, psychological and political ''sciences'' is that all of them have a huge lack of looking outside of their box.

...snip snip snip I left out some of the saggy middle because IMO it's not as strong as your opener and closer.

I just wanted to react on your comment about textbook marxism etc,. etc, and showing that it is faulty argument.

The lack of looking outside of one's own box, or seeing everything through a 99% opaque red (or blue, or any other colour really) tinted bubble, is a problem, period.

The simpler version but not hopefully too simplistic. Any idealogical solution that is extremely simple, tend to be too extreme and simplistic, and it only works 'on paper'.

That's what I read Shoju's point was, and I personally don't find that to be a faulty argument.

Textbook 'anything' can mean that wow, that is done perfectly, that's a textbook 'chocolate cake'. I doubt that's what some folks meant when they say something only works 'on paper', especially when a 'perfect plan' requires perfect everything. 100% Perfect people, perfect conditions, and perfect chocolate. That's not a framework, that's barely an idea. That's a fools paradise. Whether one claims that 'paradise' is closer to the extreme left\right, doesn't change that it's still a fools paradise.

I have yet to see commie-ism work on a large scale. Forget global, even at a national level for a sec. Besides how Red Rad Bubble Boy keeps screaming about how the sky is coloured red (through his bubble) and that's the TRUTH, anyone who says otherwise is obviously a KKKapitalizt moron.

Look at some of the echo chamber effect in the links Krimson Komrade put up. He keeps bleating about 'we're so persecuted because we're too cool and radical like'. So what do they do when someone who was formerly drinking their brand of Kool Aid, and say it sorta taste like urine sometimes? 'Start keeping tabs on them! We should denounce that troll who dares to question our TRUTHIEST TRUTH!' (And they're probably not large enough to form a bowling league, let alone a nation state.)

I don't know about you, but that sounds closer to a cult mentality to me, than some intellectually rigorous poli-sciencing. (Some will say there's not much difference at times if we really get down to it, but I'll just say nothing and smile for now.)

The extreme of anything, tend to be only good for specific, limited, extreme circumstances. Commie-ism on a large scale has been tried before, and from what I see a pesky thing called 'the worse side of human nature' tend to gum it up. Krimson Komrade here might as well be shouting 'Just wait until Xenu arrives on Earth' whenever he proclaims Marx is the only way, so for the good of all won't you let him into your heart.

Now I can agree that the extreme, unchecked capitalism, is also not a very good system. If everything has a price, and that is the 'True and Good' way since market forces should decide invizo hand of free market yadda yadda. Then what price would you sell your child for? How much to buy clean air that you're breathing right now? How much to dump toxic waste into your water source? That's not a rhetorical question, and unfortunately history, and even currently, the answer for some folks is not rhetorical either.

But frankly, from my perspective the alternative \ solution to one extreme swing is not necessarily an extreme swing to the other direction. If we all wind up stuck in a ditch, both of equal danger and precarious location, except one has pointy and jagged rocks, and the other has jagged and pointy rocks...

Does it really matter much if we're stuck in the left ditch vs the right? Only an extremist, ideologue would say it matters. And if they don't even get out of the car to help look for the carjack, the least they can do is bray to their god silently.